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Post by nellynel on Apr 11, 2024 5:31:49 GMT -5
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Post by nellynel on Apr 11, 2024 6:10:46 GMT -5
The wrong question is being asked. In the 2023 Semi-Final Iowa vs South Carolina on ESPN got over 5m views. Higher but not earth shattering numbers. Why didn’t that game get 9m? Because most people didn’t know who Clark was and it was on ESPN only. The Finals of Iowa vs LSU was on ABC and saw a huge increase. That game was a blowout and over at half time but the build was big. Everyone hated Angel Reeces antics at the end but nothing did more to build drama for the game, Clark, Iowa, LSU, South Carolina than that. Reminded me of the way the Free Birds would grab the mic and tell everyone how they were going to destroy the Von Eric’s come Saturday night. Pure theatre that served a purpose. ABC couldn’t have asked for better advertising. People immediately couldn’t wait to see if Clark could vanquish her mortal enemy next season. So the real question is who is the next (or first) Angel Reese in volleyball? And keep volleyball on ABC. www.sportsmediawatch.com/womens-final-four-ratings-history-espn/
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Post by slxpress on Apr 11, 2024 9:02:22 GMT -5
Meh? That's a strange expression for such a statement. Marketed differently, I think Nnamani would have been a compelling figure. Do you think Skinner is significantly better than Nnamani? Of course, we have yet to see if she actually is, but even with great marketing, I think the answer is no (and in relation to the thread topic, neither gets close to approaching what Clark is doing). Would she have to be? I felt like you were giving Skinner some really high praise regardless by making the comparison. Then you juxtaposed it with a “meh” as if being another Nnamani was no big deal. I think the key difference is while I think Caitlin Clark is a special player, what’s really special about her is the marketing effort and the Magic Johnson/Larry Bird vibes the comparison to Angel Reese was giving. I don’t think of her as the unicorn most of the thread seems to insist she is. I mentioned her already, but I found Sabrina Ionescu an electric player just a few years ago. I’ve seen references to Sheryl Swoopes, Cheryl Miller, Paige Bueckner. I’d add Britney Griner helping to lead Baylor to a national championship. I’m saying Skinner is on a different level than anyone playing right now in college and represents a unique opportunity as someone to market. I’d love to see the powers that be follow up on that. I don’t think we’re going to see 25 million watching the volleyball finals, but if Nebraska plays Texas again some of the marketing narratives practically write themselves. I think Skinner can be a central part of that.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 11, 2024 9:39:38 GMT -5
Do you think Skinner is significantly better than Nnamani? Of course, we have yet to see if she actually is, but even with great marketing, I think the answer is no (and in relation to the thread topic, neither gets close to approaching what Clark is doing). Would she have to be? I felt like you were giving Skinner some really high praise regardless by making the comparison. Then you juxtaposed it with a “meh” as if being another Nnamani was no big deal. I think the key difference is while I think Caitlin Clark is a special player, what’s really special about her is the marketing effort and the Magic Johnson/Larry Bird vibes the comparison to Angel Reese was giving. I don’t think of her as the unicorn most of the thread seems to insist she is. I mentioned her already, but I found Sabrina Ionescu an electric player just a few years ago. I’ve seen references to Sheryl Swoopes, Cheryl Miller, Paige Bueckner. I’d add Britney Griner helping to lead Baylor to a national championship. I’m saying Skinner is on a different level than anyone playing right now in college and represents a unique opportunity as someone to market. I’d love to see the powers that be follow up on that. I don’t think we’re going to see 25 million watching the volleyball finals, but if Nebraska plays Texas again some of the marketing narratives practically write themselves. I think Skinner can be a central part of that. The meh was a reaction to the idea that Skinner, as good as she may be—(or actually Nnamani or anyone in volleyball now)—could approach the level of hype, transformative or not, that Caitlyn Clark is experiencing. I say that even though I may not necessarily believe that Clark is necessarily that transformative a player. A combination of factors may be at play, but one can’t deny the reality of the current hype. I’ve already said that I don’t think Skinner is necessarily better than Nnamani, or approaching over-all Logan Tom level-a college Olympian.
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Post by slxpress on Apr 11, 2024 11:20:30 GMT -5
Would she have to be? I felt like you were giving Skinner some really high praise regardless by making the comparison. Then you juxtaposed it with a “meh” as if being another Nnamani was no big deal. I think the key difference is while I think Caitlin Clark is a special player, what’s really special about her is the marketing effort and the Magic Johnson/Larry Bird vibes the comparison to Angel Reese was giving. I don’t think of her as the unicorn most of the thread seems to insist she is. I mentioned her already, but I found Sabrina Ionescu an electric player just a few years ago. I’ve seen references to Sheryl Swoopes, Cheryl Miller, Paige Bueckner. I’d add Britney Griner helping to lead Baylor to a national championship. I’m saying Skinner is on a different level than anyone playing right now in college and represents a unique opportunity as someone to market. I’d love to see the powers that be follow up on that. I don’t think we’re going to see 25 million watching the volleyball finals, but if Nebraska plays Texas again some of the marketing narratives practically write themselves. I think Skinner can be a central part of that. The meh was a reaction to the idea that Skinner, as good as she may be—(or actually Nnamani or anyone in volleyball now)—could approach the level of hype, transformative or not, that Caitlyn Clark is experiencing. I say that even though I may not necessarily believe that Clark is necessarily that transformative a player. A combination of factors may be at play, but one can’t deny the reality of the current hype. I’ve already said that I don’t think Skinner is necessarily better than Nnamani, or approaching over-all Logan Tom level-a college Olympian. I don’t believe we’ve seen Skinner’s final form yet. I think it’s going to be very apparent this year it’s unfair to have her on the same court as fellow collegians. It was true at the end of last year. I think it’s gojng to be even more true next year. Clark certainly has the hype. I just think a different level of marketing can produce a different level of hype that would be good for volleyball whether it actually approaches the level of hype Clark has achieved or not. Women’s basketball and volleyball have their various strengths and weaknesses from a marketing perspective when compared to one another. Some of the biggest advantages basketball has is a familiarity with the sport, a spring championship, a larger base audience, and the ability for a single player to have a bigger influence on the outcome because of the nature of the two sports. Also, the 3 point line can be an equalizer to some degree in a way that volleyball doesn’t have an equivalent. But within those parameters, there’s no reason in my mind why volleyball can’t see some massive year over year increase in viewing numbers and interest if marketed more heavily, featuring individual players and their story lines more prominently.
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Post by stanfordvb on Apr 11, 2024 11:39:51 GMT -5
Currently? Madisen skinner. I guess if by 'version of Caitlin clark' you mean most hyped / best player in the country currently then yea id say skinner, but the only real answer I can think of from the ncaa is carlini. Took a team with decently good talent and turned them into a national powerhouse. Not taking away from her talent, but Skinner has been surrounded with elite teammates / first team AAs her entire career. Her first two nattys featured 3 first team AA teammates, and a NPOY on both teams. Clark spent 2 full seasons as the clear best player in the NCAA, skinner has only been the best for the second half of one season
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Post by hornshouse23 on Apr 11, 2024 16:33:38 GMT -5
Genuine question for WBB fans, as I’m new to the hype around CC. I get she’s goated from a talent and playing standpoint, but how much of the media hype surrounding her is due to the feuds she found herself in last season?
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Post by uofaGRAD on Apr 11, 2024 16:40:04 GMT -5
Genuine question for WBB fans, as I’m new to the hype around CC. I get she’s goated from a talent and playing standpoint, but how much of the media hype surrounding her is due to the feuds she found herself in last season? if I had to put a number on it, maybe 25%? viewership numbers more than that, but specifically CC hype, it’s relatively low. people love great three point shooting, see Steph Curry. that’s what drives the majority of it. Caitlin before Caitlin was Sabrina Ionescu, who rose to top popularity due to her three point shooting. (Sabrina and Steph actually competed in a three point contest this NBA all star break)
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Post by stanfordvb on Apr 11, 2024 16:41:21 GMT -5
Genuine question for WBB fans, as I’m new to the hype around CC. I get she’s goated from a talent and playing standpoint, but how much of the media hype surrounding her is due to the feuds she found herself in last season? I guess a lot just because it boosted both players so much and people love to watch stuff like that - but I'd say majority of the hype surrounding her is bc of her style of play thats just so exciting to watch. There hasn't been a player in the ncaa women's game that has to be guarded the moment they cross half court bc they're a legitimate threat to consistently hit shots from that far out. There's been great 3pt shooters, but clarks range is new territory. She's taking, and making, shots that most guys in the NBA wouldn't even attempt in a game
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 11, 2024 16:45:47 GMT -5
Genuine question for WBB fans, as I’m new to the hype around CC. I get she’s goated from a talent and playing standpoint, but how much of the media hype surrounding her is due to the feuds she found herself in last season? if I had to put a number on it, maybe 25%? viewership numbers more than that, but specifically CC hype, it’s relatively low. people love great three point shooting, see Steph Curry. that’s what drives the majority of it. Caitlin before Caitlin was Sabrina Ionescu, who rose to top popularity due to her three point shooting. (Sabrina and Steph actually competed in a three point contest this NBA all star break) I agree. The ratings for Clark's games kept going up even after Reese was eliminated.
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Post by definitelymaybe on Apr 11, 2024 18:15:44 GMT -5
She certainly got people to watch
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Post by potato518 on Apr 18, 2024 19:49:14 GMT -5
The equivalent of CC vs Angel Resse would be Neb vs Texas. Full circle moment they actually don’t have beef once they’re off the court maybe we can all learn something along the way 😌🥹
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Post by eyeroll2021 on Apr 19, 2024 12:32:34 GMT -5
The equivalent of CC vs Angel Resse would be Neb vs Texas. Full circle moment they actually don’t have beef once they’re off the court maybe we can all learn something along the way 😌🥹 I've never thought the TX or NB players had any beef - most of them know each other from USA development, club, team camps, etc etc from high school days onwards. The coaches and fans, yes. Lol.
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