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Post by koavball on Oct 23, 2024 15:36:35 GMT -5
What do you expect after you let people know you are entering the portal? Why do you think Thiim waited until the end of the season, when he made his mind up after the Long Beach series at the pyramid?? Also burning a sophomore season? He got in a few matches, do you think you can just save a year of eligibility if you donāt play all season and without a serious injury? You only get 5 years, he had already redshirted.
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Post by wilbur on Oct 23, 2024 16:19:35 GMT -5
Ottmar was let go "cut" in early Feb. Spyros, as captain was told before the player meeting and pleaded on Ottmars behalf to no avail. He called Ottmar and told him early so he wouldn't be blindsided. Ottmar was told they'd help him find a place to transfer but less means more reps was something heard by the remaining team just after the "cut". Unfortunately, Spyros got hurt the next week and they didn't have a legit B side for a lot of the rest of the season because of the cut and other injuries, illnesses, etc. They never invited Ottmar back to the gym after Spyros was hurt despite rumors. He entered late in two matches before the cut so they essentially burned his Sophomore season and left him dangling for the rest of the school year without allowing him to be with his best friends or stay prepared for the 2025 season. This was cold blooded. Two of Ottmars roommates were starting seniors. This affected every teammate as Keoni mentioned. A Cali club director said "mid season cut?!?! Not even Nygaard would do that". Itās unfortunate the way everything played out last season but at this point we all just need to move forward. We have to remember Coach Wade made the best decision at the time. Canāt wait for this upcoming season. Should be a good one. Obviously not the best decision at the time, or anytime after... what are you talking about? Everyone makes mistakes, I wonder if Wade has or will ever admit he made a bad move here. |
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Post by wilbur on Oct 23, 2024 16:25:17 GMT -5
What do you expect after you let people know you are entering the portal? Why do you think Thiim waited until the end of the season, when he made his mind up after the Long Beach series at the pyramid?? Also burning a sophomore season? He got in a few matches, do you think you can just save a year of eligibility if you donāt play all season and without a serious injury? You only get 5 years, he had already redshirted. are you saying Ottmar told Charlie he was going to transfer next year before he was cut in February? The transfer portal wasn't even open until after the regular season ended. Even if he had the conversation with Charlie that he thought another program would be better for him, to cut him because of that is not right unless Ottmar wasn't giving 100% in teh time he was there. |
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Post by noblesol on Oct 23, 2024 16:39:25 GMT -5
Wade did Ottmar a 'life lesson' favor. He might not have been mature enough to realize it. Hardly surprising others of similar immaturity would whine about it too. When you announce you're leaving a long-term commitment, the other party is under no obligation to continue committed to you unless it's written into contract. In the real world, when your employer sees you publically dangling a foot out the door, for the sake of the business and employee morale, they ask you to leave.
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Post by brooselee on Oct 23, 2024 16:44:29 GMT -5
What do you expect after you let people know you are entering the portal? Why do you think Thiim waited until the end of the season, when he made his mind up after the Long Beach series at the pyramid?? Also burning a sophomore season? He got in a few matches, do you think you can just save a year of eligibility if you donāt play all season and without a serious injury? You only get 5 years, he had already redshirted. are you saying Ottmar told Charlie he was going to transfer next year before he was cut in February? The transfer portal wasn't even open until after the regular season ended. Even if he had the conversation with Charlie that he thought another program would be better for him, to cut him because of that is not right unless Ottmar wasn't giving 100% in teh time he was there. I think Koa was talking about Thiim entering the portal and spilling secrets. Thiim is a punk and we knew it so no biggie. Ottmar could not have redshirted since he already redshirted. Ottmar was not going to play anyway. Wade was probably going to use Sakanoko and if need, would probably bring in Justin Todd so Ottmar really was not going to play much anyway. Time to move on. |
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Post by ManapuaSurprise on Oct 23, 2024 22:41:01 GMT -5
Wade did Ottmar a 'life lesson' favor. He might not have been mature enough to realize it. Hardly surprising others of similar immaturity would whine about it too. When you announce you're leaving a long-term commitment, the other party is under no obligation to continue committed to you unless it's written into contract. In the real world, when your employer sees you publically dangling a foot out the door, for the sake of the business and employee morale, they ask you to leave. "Hey Pac-12, btw we are gonna move over to Big 10 just letting you know...
.... what do you mean we dont have any say on how youre gonna use conference money??"
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Post by ManapuaSurprise on Oct 23, 2024 22:47:41 GMT -5
are you saying Ottmar told Charlie he was going to transfer next year before he was cut in February? The transfer portal wasn't even open until after the regular season ended. Even if he had the conversation with Charlie that he thought another program would be better for him, to cut him because of that is not right unless Ottmar wasn't giving 100% in teh time he was there. I think Koa was talking about Thiim entering the portal and spilling secrets. Thiim is a punk and we knew it so no biggie. Ottmar could not have redshirted since he already redshirted. Ottmar was not going to play anyway. Wade was probably going to use Sakanoko and if need, would probably bring in Justin Todd so Ottmar really was not going to play much anyway. Time to move on. Everyone moved on then wanywaid replied to a topic noone has discussed in 5 months. |
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Post by gravity77 on Oct 23, 2024 23:18:31 GMT -5
I think Koa was talking about Thiim entering the portal and spilling secrets. Thiim is a punk and we knew it so no biggie. Ottmar could not have redshirted since he already redshirted. Ottmar was not going to play anyway. Wade was probably going to use Sakanoko and if need, would probably bring in Justin Todd so Ottmar really was not going to play much anyway. Time to move on. Everyone moved on then wanywaid replied to a topic noone has discussed in 5 months. Lol. Letās all just close this topic. It has thoroughly been discussed. Hawaii 2025! |
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Post by ManapuaSurprise on Oct 24, 2024 1:22:56 GMT -5
Everyone moved on then wanywaid replied to a topic noone has discussed in 5 months. Lol. Letās all just close this topic. It has thoroughly been discussed. Hawaii 2025! Yea! Like are they having fall scrimmages? |
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Post by babybacksets on Oct 24, 2024 1:31:01 GMT -5
None of this matters. All those players are gone and D1 rosters are currently over saturated with more players than they need or stand a chance to see the court.
This 18 player limit canāt come fast enough, at least now all coaches will have to narrow their focus on players who are recruited vs just offered.
If some of these reserve players make their way onto some mid/lower tier rosters, I wonder if we see A LOT more parity in the seasonā¦
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Post by Psychopotamus on Oct 24, 2024 2:06:59 GMT -5
None of this matters. All those players are gone and D1 rosters are currently over saturated with more players than they need or stand a chance to see the court. This 18 player limit canāt come fast enough, at least now all coaches will have to narrow their focus on players who are recruited vs just offered. If some of these reserve players make their way onto some mid/lower tier rosters, I wonder if we see A LOT more parity in the seasonā¦ Yes. IMO there already is parity from a recruiting standpoint minus the top 5 maybe 10 programs who normally have at least one player clearly better than the rest of the D1 teams outside the top 10-15. To me i think the biggest difference between tier 1 and tier 2 programs is coaching. Aside from the occasional Katz, Contreras or Nikolov who are dominant from day one, most of these players can be fairly interchangeable once they arrive. It's all about how the pieces develop and mesh together that can make or break a team and, other than the players themselves, the biggest influence on how they develop is the coacing. Hell, even Thelle and Chakas sat on the bench their first year. |
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Post by heavenkit on Oct 24, 2024 2:17:47 GMT -5
Wade did Ottmar a 'life lesson' favor. He might not have been mature enough to realize it. Hardly surprising others of similar immaturity would whine about it too. When you announce you're leaving a long-term commitment, the other party is under no obligation to continue committed to you unless it's written into contract. In the real world, when your employer sees you publically dangling a foot out the door, for the sake of the business and employee morale, they ask you to leave. Also, with how Ottmar handled the situation, it just proved how classy he is as a person and explains why he is loved by his teammates. He could have reacted in a different way but chose to continue to support the team and cheered his teammates in the sideline. Seems like he is happy where he is now and might even get a substantial playing time so it turned out great for him. GCU is lucky to have a great person and player like him. |
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Post by babybacksets on Oct 24, 2024 2:18:15 GMT -5
None of this matters. All those players are gone and D1 rosters are currently over saturated with more players than they need or stand a chance to see the court. This 18 player limit canāt come fast enough, at least now all coaches will have to narrow their focus on players who are recruited vs just offered. If some of these reserve players make their way onto some mid/lower tier rosters, I wonder if we see A LOT more parity in the seasonā¦ Yes. IMO there already is parity from a recruiting standpoint minus the top 5 maybe 10 programs who normally have at least one player clearly better than the rest of the D1 teams outside the top 10-15. To me i think the biggest difference between tier 1 and tier 2 programs is coaching. Aside from the occasional Katz, Contreras or Nikolov who are dominant from day one, most of these players can be fairly interchangeable once they arrive. It's all about how the pieces develop and mesh together that can make or break a team and, other than the players themselves, the biggest influence on how they develop is the coacing. Hell, even Thelle and Chakas sat on the bench their first year. Exactly! More players with easier opportunities to develop is a good thing for the sport as long as thatās the way things trend. Hopefully itās not too much longer before a major university adds a team that can recruit well at the D1 level right away. I think about all the players of collegiate teams throughout the years who were āFab 50ā HS All American types, only to never touch the court because there is a log jam of players with the same accolades that a coach may just like the slightest bit more for the position youāre competing for. |
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Post by makeitwork on Oct 24, 2024 5:21:11 GMT -5
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Post by wanywaid on Oct 24, 2024 14:42:09 GMT -5
I think Koa was talking about Thiim entering the portal and spilling secrets. Thiim is a punk and we knew it so no biggie. Ottmar could not have redshirted since he already redshirted. Ottmar was not going to play anyway. Wade was probably going to use Sakanoko and if need, would probably bring in Justin Todd so Ottmar really was not going to play much anyway. Time to move on. Everyone moved on then wanywaid replied to a topic noone has discussed in 5 months. Final comments from me. And there were reasons of leverage this couldn't be brought up in June. There isn't a 3rd year B side player that hasn't played much, in any NCAA D1 sport wondering if they shouldnt transfer to find more playing time at the end of the season when the portal opens. The players discuss it openly. "Hey, are you thinking about transferring next year? You should." If someone tells a teammate they may look, they should be made a pariah? Anyone butthurt by that enough to be vindictive shouldn't have power over 19-22 year olds. There is no power balance between players and coaches so coaches need to be more magnanimous. Players can't leave their team mid season to go to another, but coaches can end the players year. The player then really has to finish the term for their credits, separated from their whole identity. And in Hawaii probably thousands of miles from home. You may not care as a fan, but the mental struggle is HUGE! The other players try to help out and give them encouragement but they're right in the middle of their season and only have a little time. There is no one watching. Press and athletic directors are only watching football and basketball. Keoni tried to shine some light on issues but it was quickly quashed and he was demonized by some on here. He is a great kid and gave everything he had to the team. If some introspection doesn't happen from this, it is going to happen again. Hawaii volleyball has a magical environment and the best fans and you as fans deserve the best. |
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