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Post by ManapuaSurprise on Nov 20, 2024 4:57:22 GMT -5
i’ve heard totally different stories about angelos from people who work within the athletics department. stories that don’t play him out as the savior you all are describing. there’s always 3 sides to a story and i feel we will never get the whole truth about this situation. So what have you heard? imma guess probably that Craig was "stepping on toes" or "creating a hostile environment" and other things that stagnant people would claim to HGEA bcuz Craig was actually trying to make them do work |
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Post by ManapuaSurprise on Nov 20, 2024 5:17:47 GMT -5
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Post by po'okela on Nov 20, 2024 5:49:59 GMT -5
i’ve heard totally different stories about angelos from people who work within the athletics department. stories that don’t play him out as the savior you all are describing. there’s always 3 sides to a story and i feel we will never get the whole truth about this situation. So what have you heard? what have i heard? i haven’t heard anything directly just what people have said about the situation. not saying that what they’ve said is the absolute truth because at this point, everything is hearsay and should be taken with a grain of salt and pray that the athletic department gets its sh*t together fast. |
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Post by farmgirl on Nov 20, 2024 11:27:57 GMT -5
At most schools, the athletes don’t even know who their AD is. The fact that so many athletes are speaking up says a lot about how he treats people and how he cares for the athletic department.
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Post by cosmo on Nov 20, 2024 14:27:23 GMT -5
Tbh I’d bet on this having very little to do with Angelos or Lassner, or even Manin. (Not insider info just a guess)
But I think this has everything to do with Hensel, the new president. Don’t some of the posts even specify that while Lassner is removing Angelos, Hensel will be the one selecting the new AD? She probably demanded she gets to pick someone of her own choosing.
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Post by missusp on Nov 20, 2024 15:00:33 GMT -5
Interesting, all of it. But, so distracting to the reason that there is an athletic department. Solidarity. I hope the new UH President has nothing to do with this. It would be a bad sign that a budget conscious, fund-raising, hands-on AD is not in her plan.
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Post by 808empath on Nov 20, 2024 15:27:51 GMT -5
In all honesty, I feel so bad for the student athletes cause they're caught in the crosshairs of this f*ckery. They don't deserve to get their NIL cut. Lassner and Manin better f*skin fix this mess they created. 🤬🤬🤬
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Post by volleyfriends on Nov 20, 2024 23:43:34 GMT -5
Tbh I’d bet on this having very little to do with Angelos or Lassner, or even Manin. (Not insider info just a guess) But I think this has everything to do with Hensel, the new president. Don’t some of the posts even specify that while Lassner is removing Angelos, Hensel will be the one selecting the new AD? She probably demanded she gets to pick someone of her own choosing. I do not think the Hensel angle is at play here. Yes, incoming CEOs/Presidents like to have authority to pick their team. However, in the case of AD Angelos, Hensel already had the authority to replace him because his employment was at-will. That is, Lassner did not have to fire Angelos for Hensel to get the decision to do with the AD role as she wishes. Further, most incoming CEOs/Presidents welcome an opportunity to learn from the current team as the new leader develops their view on what the organization needs. Keeping the current team in place during the transition provides continuity the new leader time to collect their views. Lastly, most incoming CEOs/Presidents want to balance being thoughtful versus being fast in making decisions. The firing of the AD before Hensel even gets to campus actually limits her choices and puts her in a time crunch. The above is based on my experience going through 10+ CEO/President changes. I'm as lost as you are about the facts/reasons why. But the Hensel angle does not make sense to me. |
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Post by cosmo on Nov 21, 2024 3:46:50 GMT -5
Tbh I’d bet on this having very little to do with Angelos or Lassner, or even Manin. (Not insider info just a guess) But I think this has everything to do with Hensel, the new president. Don’t some of the posts even specify that while Lassner is removing Angelos, Hensel will be the one selecting the new AD? She probably demanded she gets to pick someone of her own choosing. I do not think the Hensel angle is at play here. Yes, incoming CEOs/Presidents like to have authority to pick their team. However, in the case of AD Angelos, Hensel already had the authority to replace him because his employment was at-will. That is, Lassner did not have to fire Angelos for Hensel to get the decision to do with the AD role as she wishes. Further, most incoming CEOs/Presidents welcome an opportunity to learn from the current team as the new leader develops their view on what the organization needs. Keeping the current team in place during the transition provides continuity the new leader time to collect their views. Lastly, most incoming CEOs/Presidents want to balance being thoughtful versus being fast in making decisions. The firing of the AD before Hensel even gets to campus actually limits her choices and puts her in a time crunch. The above is based on my experience going through 10+ CEO/President changes. I'm as lost as you are about the facts/reasons why. But the Hensel angle does not make sense to me. That does seem plausible to me. One reason I considered for it being done this way is Hensel’s knowing this would be an unpopular decision, so having Lassner take the fall could help her save face (which she definitely needs going into the first year of the role). That said this certainly doesn’t have to be the case, it could be Lassner trying to tie up what he believes to be a “loose end” or something similar. I just think Lassner upending such a major position on his way out was a touch suspicious unless he genuinely thought Angelos was bad for the program. |
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Post by brooselee on Nov 21, 2024 4:34:33 GMT -5
If Hensel came in and pick her own AD, Im wiling to bet my life the blowback would not be as loud because most fans understand that the new president can pick her own people.
It’s the timing. Like the previous poster stated, Lassner could have let Hensel decide since she will have to deal with Angelos long term. Absolutely no need to Lassner to make any decisions since he was on his way out.
Lassner actually will leave Hensel a bigger mess than if he just stayed out of making any decision.
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Post by heavenkit on Nov 21, 2024 9:42:47 GMT -5
Lois Manin has came out to say that she is not seeking for the permanent position. I mean that is a wise decision because I'm sure she can foresee the backlash she will get if she attempts to.
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Post by soljah808 on Nov 21, 2024 11:00:10 GMT -5
If Hensel came in and pick her own AD, Im wiling to bet my life the blowback would not be as loud because most fans understand that the new president can pick her own people. It’s the timing. Like the previous poster stated, Lassner could have let Hensel decide since she will have to deal with Angelos long term. Absolutely no need to Lassner to make any decisions since he was on his way out. Lassner actually will leave Hensel a bigger mess than if he just stayed out of making any decision. Exactly! By Lassner firing Angelos and NIL going down the drain and big long time corporate sponsors are now rethinking their support of UH Athletics is an absolute dumpster fire that makes it even more difficult than it should have been for the new Prez. That's why the firing was personal or imo to help others within the dept elevate. It has to be. Btw, Lois saying she wouldn't go for the AD position is only saying that because of the backlash. She has always been gunning for that chair. But ultimately, Lassner will not reneg on his decision imo because it would make him look weak and stupid af. Which he is and his ego won't make him change course. So somehow if convinced that Craig can been given an opportunity to reapply for the position? I doubt he would because this is embarrassing already as is. But in the short time he has been here...things been moving and I hate the idea of him leaving. |
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Post by shorty on Nov 21, 2024 17:56:05 GMT -5
If Hensel came in and pick her own AD, Im wiling to bet my life the blowback would not be as loud because most fans understand that the new president can pick her own people. It’s the timing. Like the previous poster stated, Lassner could have let Hensel decide since she will have to deal with Angelos long term. Absolutely no need to Lassner to make any decisions since he was on his way out. Lassner actually will leave Hensel a bigger mess than if he just stayed out of making any decision. Exactly! By Lassner firing Angelos and NIL going down the drain and big long time corporate sponsors are now rethinking their support of UH Athletics is an absolute dumpster fire that makes it even more difficult than it should have been for the new Prez. That's why the firing was personal or imo to help others within the dept elevate. It has to be. Btw, Lois saying she wouldn't go for the AD position is only saying that because of the backlash. She has always been gunning for that chair. But ultimately, Lassner will not reneg on his decision imo because it would make him look weak and stupid af. Which he is and his ego won't make him change course. So somehow if convinced that Craig can been given an opportunity to reapply for the position? I doubt he would because this is embarrassing already as is. But in the short time he has been here...things been moving and I hate the idea of him leaving. Someone had said that when the previous AD retired, Lasner just appointed Manin b/c they are good friends, got push back and HAD TO make an official AD search which Craig was hired. Board of regents told the news last night that they don't have the power or authority to un-do what Lasner did, today's BOR meeting, I think I heard Lasner doubled down on his stance about firing Craig. Such a huge mess |
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 21, 2024 18:06:05 GMT -5
Exactly! By Lassner firing Angelos and NIL going down the drain and big long time corporate sponsors are now rethinking their support of UH Athletics is an absolute dumpster fire that makes it even more difficult than it should have been for the new Prez. That's why the firing was personal or imo to help others within the dept elevate. It has to be. Btw, Lois saying she wouldn't go for the AD position is only saying that because of the backlash. She has always been gunning for that chair. But ultimately, Lassner will not reneg on his decision imo because it would make him look weak and stupid af. Which he is and his ego won't make him change course. So somehow if convinced that Craig can been given an opportunity to reapply for the position? I doubt he would because this is embarrassing already as is. But in the short time he has been here...things been moving and I hate the idea of him leaving. Someone had said that when the previous AD retired, Lasner just appointed Manin b/c they are good friends, got push back and HAD TO make an official AD search which Craig was hired. Board of regents told the news last night that they don't have the power or authority to un-do what Lasner did, today's BOR meeting, I think I heard Lasner doubled down on his stance about firing Craig. Such a huge mess I think the issue with the Board of Regents is in regards to discussing or acting on the matter as an agenda item without at least 6 days notice. Since Angelo’s termination isn’t official until Dec 1, they might be able to act before that date, although I have no idea if that’s feasible or if that’s what they intend to do. |
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Post by kamikaze49 on Nov 21, 2024 18:08:13 GMT -5
Exactly! By Lassner firing Angelos and NIL going down the drain and big long time corporate sponsors are now rethinking their support of UH Athletics is an absolute dumpster fire that makes it even more difficult than it should have been for the new Prez. That's why the firing was personal or imo to help others within the dept elevate. It has to be. Btw, Lois saying she wouldn't go for the AD position is only saying that because of the backlash. She has always been gunning for that chair. But ultimately, Lassner will not reneg on his decision imo because it would make him look weak and stupid af. Which he is and his ego won't make him change course. So somehow if convinced that Craig can been given an opportunity to reapply for the position? I doubt he would because this is embarrassing already as is. But in the short time he has been here...things been moving and I hate the idea of him leaving. Someone had said that when the previous AD retired, Lasner just appointed Manin b/c they are good friends, got push back and HAD TO make an official AD search which Craig was hired.  Board of regents told the news last night that they don't have the power or authority to un-do what Lasner did, today's BOR meeting, I think I heard Lasner doubled down on his stance about firing Craig.  Such a huge mess If advice is true, then BOR needs to alter that policy to have oversight of boneheaded decisions that are a reflection on the university. Lack of institutional control by a BOR is not a pretty picture. Are they just window dressing. |
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