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Post by soljah808 on Apr 14, 2024 13:11:50 GMT -5
Hey! I asked another poster who is very knowledgeable about the passing numbers and I was told that the men don't really update Volley Metrics. Hawaii's serve receive passing was bad and got stressed by UCSD's service pressure but I think Hawaii's passing has looked good overall this season. Now, looking at what numbers we do have, we can try to make a deduction on the quality of Hawaii's serve reception. Hawaii is hitting .352 on the year which I think can be a testament to their serve receive. Note: I do think that men can and do terminate the ball more out of system, it's just apart of their game with so many dynamic and hard serves and attacks crossing the net. I can see the argument being made that the men's hitting percentage probably isn't as tied to their serve receive prowess like the women are. Spyros Chakas going down has taken a huge chunk out of Hawaii's entire game on offense and defense but also on serve receive. Just taking Hawaii's offensive numbers following Spyros' unfortunate injury, Hawaii's offense has gone 481-178-1040 .291. So maybe Hawaii's passing has gotten a little worse since the Chakas injury? Or is it because the hitters are more erratic no matter what type of pass and set they get? Or is it because the teams got subsequently better, coinciding with the injury, that has led to an overall dip in efficiency for Hawaii's entire game? My live reaction: I feel like this brought up more questions than it did answers lol Thank you for the thoughtful response. Can't look back on what if's...but the value of Spyros makes sense when seeing those the trends pre and post injury. Do you know the middle production pre and post Spyros injury? UCSD did expose the key to beating Hawaii--serve pressure and make the OH's beat you. They did. And its quite simple tbh. The two current starting OH's are the two weakest passers of the bunch (Spyros, Chaz, Keoni, Louis). When you are out of the your two starting 6-rotation championship pins then you have to hope and pray the passing holds up even remotely. Which it didn't. I think that's why Spyros' loss was so devastating just because of everything he did both on and off the court for Hawaii and because he was the main cog of that consistent Hawaii machine. Without that cog....it's a constant sputter to the finish line. |
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Post by Volleyfan024 on Apr 14, 2024 13:20:58 GMT -5
Thank you for the thoughtful response. Can't look back on what if's...but the value of Spyros makes sense when seeing those the trends pre and post injury. Do you know the middle production pre and post Spyros injury? UCSD did expose the key to beating Hawaii--serve pressure and make the OH's beat you. They did. And its quite simple tbh. The two current starting OH's are the two weakest passers of the bunch (Spyros, Chaz, Keoni, Louis). When you are out of the your two starting 6-rotation championship pins then you have to hope and pray the passing holds up even remotely. Which it didn't. I think that's why Spyros' loss was so devastating just because of everything he did both on and off the court for Hawaii and because he was the main cog of that consistent Hawaii machine. Without that cog....it's a constant sputter to the finish line. You, and others, keep using the term 6 rotation pin. Pins essentially have to be 6 rotation players to be consistent starters in the men’s game. You can run someone across once but there are so few teams that use that on a consistent basis. |
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Post by soljah808 on Apr 14, 2024 15:13:30 GMT -5
They did. And its quite simple tbh. The two current starting OH's are the two weakest passers of the bunch (Spyros, Chaz, Keoni, Louis). When you are out of the your two starting 6-rotation championship pins then you have to hope and pray the passing holds up even remotely. Which it didn't. I think that's why Spyros' loss was so devastating just because of everything he did both on and off the court for Hawaii and because he was the main cog of that consistent Hawaii machine. Without that cog....it's a constant sputter to the finish line. You, and others, keep using the term 6 rotation pin. Pins essentially have to be 6 rotation players to be consistent starters in the men’s game. You can run someone across once but there are so few teams that use that on a consistent basis. I use it because it's absolutely true. They were our 6-rotation pins that helped lead us to championships. Now we don't have one out because of devastating injury and another who is injured and just isn't playing the same. My point isn't about them being 6-rotation as it is more so their lack of presence on the court because of everything they did is definitely felt. They helped with the little things.....and them not out there makes it blatantly obvious when other teams help expose those things against the pins we got playing now. I credit Keoni and Louis for trying their very best. But minus Spyros and now spot play by Chaz.....it's no wonder Charlie seems a bit pessimistic once Spyros was out. Now with that said....Louis once he participates in our off season training and strength training program which he didn't because he came in late.....Will help him improve greatly which is what we are gonna need next season. I expect the two frenchmen (Sakanoko and Roure) to help lead the way at the Left pin next season. And with Keoni planning to return for his final year....he will be one of the most deadly serving specialists next season as well which is even more scary if you think about it cause he has improved in that area from last season to this season. So we are in great hands. |
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Post by VT Karen on Apr 14, 2024 15:22:19 GMT -5
Hey! I asked another poster who is very knowledgeable about the passing numbers and I was told that the men don't really update Volley Metrics. Hawaii's serve receive passing was bad and got stressed by UCSD's service pressure but I think Hawaii's passing has looked good overall this season. Now, looking at what numbers we do have, we can try to make a deduction on the quality of Hawaii's serve reception. Hawaii is hitting .352 on the year which I think can be a testament to their serve receive. Note: I do think that men can and do terminate the ball more out of system, it's just apart of their game with so many dynamic and hard serves and attacks crossing the net. I can see the argument being made that the men's hitting percentage probably isn't as tied to their serve receive prowess like the women are. Spyros Chakas going down has taken a huge chunk out of Hawaii's entire game on offense and defense but also on serve receive. Just taking Hawaii's offensive numbers following Spyros' unfortunate injury, Hawaii's offense has gone 481-178-1040 .291. So maybe Hawaii's passing has gotten a little worse since the Chakas injury? Or is it because the hitters are more erratic no matter what type of pass and set they get? Or is it because the teams got subsequently better, coinciding with the injury, that has led to an overall dip in efficiency for Hawaii's entire game? My live reaction: I feel like this brought up more questions than it did answers lol Thank you for the thoughtful response. Can't look back on what if's...but the value of Spyros makes sense when seeing those the trends pre and post injury. Do you know the middle production pre and post Spyros injury? UCSD did expose the key to beating Hawaii--serve pressure and make the OH's beat you. You're welcome! No, I don't know the exact numbers to compare but it seems to be about the same. I think the importance of serving tough and making the outsides take out the trash is universal in volleyball. |
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