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Post by joetrinsey on Jun 26, 2024 10:48:37 GMT -5
And might have there been a precipitating major event in 2014 that happened in Ukraine prior to that in 2014? Read Wikipedia's "Russian occupation of Crimea". Note how Russian special forces units were already in place with fake uniforms, posing as Crimean militia, and had a carefully coordinated attack on Ukrainian military installations there, as well as taking over the local government. This effort had been years in the making. It was extensively planned. The "precipitating major event" you speak of, AKA the Revolution of Dignity, only triggered the seizure of Crimea in the sense that it served as cover for doing what they planned to do all along. Let’s pretend we’re all playing Risk. What’s the strategic purpose of Russia taking Crimea?
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Post by volleyguy on Jun 26, 2024 10:51:45 GMT -5
Read Wikipedia's "Russian occupation of Crimea". Note how Russian special forces units were already in place with fake uniforms, posing as Crimean militia, and had a carefully coordinated attack on Ukrainian military installations there, as well as taking over the local government. This effort had been years in the making. It was extensively planned. The "precipitating major event" you speak of, AKA the Revolution of Dignity, only triggered the seizure of Crimea in the sense that it served as cover for doing what they planned to do all along. Let’s pretend we’re all playing Risk. What’s the strategic purpose of Russia taking Crimea? Is that a serious question? Access to the Mediterranean Sea.
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Post by joetrinsey on Jun 26, 2024 11:00:47 GMT -5
Let’s pretend we’re all playing Risk. What’s the strategic purpose of Russia taking Crimea? Is that a serious question? Access to the Mediterranean Sea. Yes…
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Jun 26, 2024 11:15:02 GMT -5
Is that a serious question? Access to the Mediterranean Sea. Yes… "Without Sevastopol, Russia would not have a home for its Black Sea fleet, which it uses to project power into the Mediterranean — and to wage war in Syria."
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Jun 26, 2024 11:18:22 GMT -5
Is that a serious question? Access to the Mediterranean Sea. Yes… Water. "The 70-mile-long North Crimea Canal was used to bring water south from Nova Kakhovka on the Dnipr river. After the Russian annexation in 2014, Ukraine dammed the canal ten miles north of the Crimean border. Two days after the February 24 invasion, Russia blew up the dam, restarting the flow of water to Crimea. In order to guarantee the supply of water in the long term, Putin wants to control the canal all the way to the Dnipr river, which means occupying the province of Kherson"
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Post by volleyguy on Jun 26, 2024 11:26:00 GMT -5
Is that a serious question? Access to the Mediterranean Sea. Yes… I think it's your move.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jun 26, 2024 11:34:27 GMT -5
Saying that Russia wants Ukraine (or at least Crimea) in order to have a warm-water port is reason to support the idea that they did NOT invade because of Ukraine making approaches to NATO. It means, instead, that they invaded Ukraine because they wanted the ports.
Saying that Russia invaded Ukraine (in 2014) because Ukraine threw out their Russian-favoring President is likewise a reason to support that they did NOT invade because of Ukraine making approaches to NATO. It means, instead, that they invaded Ukraine because they wanted to re-install a puppet President.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jun 26, 2024 12:24:27 GMT -5
Yep, but only after how many more indictments, impeachments, riots, dictator love letters and everthing else that he'll make us all suffer through. I wasn’t on the board then but I’m thinking H wrote that “Trump will probably get a second term” thing in 2020 too. He can just keep cutting and pasting that for all future Orange presidential runs. What will H do when they come for him? ✝️ How many “future presidential runs” do you think Trump has left?
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Post by bobinmd on Jun 26, 2024 12:29:54 GMT -5
I wasn’t on the board then but I’m thinking H wrote that “Trump will probably get a second term” thing in 2020 too. He can just keep cutting and pasting that for all future Orange presidential runs. What will H do when they come for him? ✝️ How many “future presidential runs” do you think Trump has left? One maybe. What is your number? ✝️
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jun 26, 2024 12:31:22 GMT -5
How many “future presidential runs” do you think Trump has left? One maybe. What is your number? ✝️ I’m thinking this is the last kick at the can.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jun 26, 2024 12:43:55 GMT -5
Assuming he gets the Republican nomination, Trump would already this year be the oldest person ever to be a nominated major party candidate for President ... except for his opponent, assuming Biden likewise gets the Democratic nomination.
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Post by jsquare on Jun 26, 2024 14:54:50 GMT -5
you don’t think there’s some irony that a guy gets bludgeoned with a hammer when his wife has promoted and easy on crime mentality? HOLIDAY Trump will probably get a second term. America and it's institutions will go on as they have done for over 200 years. why do you think America will just "go on." after a Trump second term? Did you notice how dinged up America was after Trump's first term?
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Post by mikegarrison on Jun 26, 2024 15:00:38 GMT -5
It would be a tragic mistake to assume that America is just too big, strong, secure, rich, etc. to be vulnerable to a disastrous government.
I really don't understand the mindset that would say, "Yes, Trump is a horrible person who has a horrible economic plan and tried to overthrow the previous election and was and will be a terrible President, but I'm going to vote for him anyway just because I think the country can survive whatever damage he does to it."
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Post by bobinmd on Jun 26, 2024 16:11:03 GMT -5
He would’ve never tried it under Donald Trump. Why? Any proof from Holidumb?
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Post by joetrinsey on Jun 26, 2024 19:40:36 GMT -5
Two of the most central goals of Russian foreign policy are: 1. Maintain a cold-weather port. 2. Keep NATO out of Ukraine. In 2014, there was a coup in Russia that threatened their base/port. Shockingly, they take military action. Leading into 2022, the talks of Ukraine joining NATO are increasing and Ukraine is already participating in military exercises including flying nuclear-capable aircraft within 20 miles of the Russian border to activate their nuclear defense systems. Shockingly, Russia takes military action. Obligatory: this doesn’t mean I support Russia. I think Russia is wrong. I am opposed to military aggression. Etc etc. I’m not saying what Russia did was right, only that it was predictable.
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