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Post by gofaster88 on Jul 29, 2024 16:14:59 GMT -5
I'm trying to figure out why an institution like Hawaii wouldn't do this. If you can opt in and offer scholarships it sure would make it easier for them to recruit folks to go all the way out there. Revenue sharing they probably make some with their TV deals on the island and all the booster NIL deals they already have in place.
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Post by stevehorn on Jul 29, 2024 16:38:33 GMT -5
Based on 2024 rosters, 87 players across the D1 teams alone would be cut under the new rule. 6 players could be added to teams below. Looking at the list of schools that were posted with their roster number, I saw very few non-P5 schools that would opt-in to the revenue sharing option. For the schools that don't opt-in, they would still have unlimited rosters along with a 4.5 scholarship limit. |
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Post by stevehorn on Jul 29, 2024 16:40:20 GMT -5
I'm trying to figure out why an institution like Hawaii wouldn't do this. If you can opt in and offer scholarships it sure would make it easier for them to recruit folks to go all the way out there. Revenue sharing they probably make some with their TV deals on the island and all the booster NIL deals they already have in place. The first question would be whether Hawaii's athletic department operates in the black and has a surplus of several million. |
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Post by vbnerd on Jul 30, 2024 23:07:26 GMT -5
I'm trying to figure out why an institution like Hawaii wouldn't do this. If you can opt in and offer scholarships it sure would make it easier for them to recruit folks to go all the way out there. Revenue sharing they probably make some with their TV deals on the island and all the booster NIL deals they already have in place. The first question would be whether Hawaii's athletic department operates in the black and has a surplus of several million. Not until the football stadium gets worked out, but yeah, I think some schools are going to prioritize sports other than the obvious ones and Hawaii's 3 volleyball teams and possibly baseball could accomplish a lot if they leverage these changes. We'll see. |
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Post by gofaster88 on Jul 31, 2024 15:12:46 GMT -5
The first question would be whether Hawaii's athletic department operates in the black and has a surplus of several million. Not until the football stadium gets worked out, but yeah, I think some schools are going to prioritize sports other than the obvious ones and Hawaii's 3 volleyball teams and possibly baseball could accomplish a lot if they leverage these changes. We'll see. been awhile since i paid attention but have they decided on upgrades to that stadium yet? |
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Post by cosmo on Aug 1, 2024 23:28:04 GMT -5
Not until the football stadium gets worked out, but yeah, I think some schools are going to prioritize sports other than the obvious ones and Hawaii's 3 volleyball teams and possibly baseball could accomplish a lot if they leverage these changes. We'll see. been awhile since i paid attention but have they decided on upgrades to that stadium yet? Nope |
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Post by xee on Aug 2, 2024 2:00:15 GMT -5
Isn't the most likely scenario in all of this that most men's volleyball programs at a P5 school will get moved to zero scholarships? What does the AD of Ohio State or USC care about men's volleyball when basketball and football just added a combined 40 new scholarships and make 500x as much revenue, and you've made it easier to float scholarships from smaller teams into money makers?
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Post by gocougs on Aug 2, 2024 12:38:35 GMT -5
Isn't the most likely scenario in all of this that most men's volleyball programs at a P5 school will get moved to zero scholarships? What does the AD of Ohio State or USC care about men's volleyball when basketball and football just added a combined 40 new scholarships and make 500x as much revenue, and you've made it easier to float scholarships from smaller teams into money makers? My totally unbiased opinion - they should care because are football scholarships 86-105 really going to win them anything, raise revenues, or even play ball on tv? Obviously you throw a bunch of NIL money at top FB/BB talent but float a few scholarships to volleyball and get your school back into the show. |
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Post by xee on Aug 2, 2024 22:07:35 GMT -5
Isn't the most likely scenario in all of this that most men's volleyball programs at a P5 school will get moved to zero scholarships? What does the AD of Ohio State or USC care about men's volleyball when basketball and football just added a combined 40 new scholarships and make 500x as much revenue, and you've made it easier to float scholarships from smaller teams into money makers? My totally unbiased opinion - they should care because are football scholarships 86-105 really going to win them anything, raise revenues, or even play ball on tv? Obviously you throw a bunch of NIL money at top FB/BB talent but float a few scholarships to volleyball and get your school back into the show. I agree intellectually that it makes sense to do this. But do you honestly think that will happen? I am skeptical. I do think schools like LBSU, UCSB, etc. without football teams will probably see the opportunity to get more scholarships into a small sport and start winning. But will they all see it that way? |
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Post by HawaiiMongoose on Aug 4, 2024 14:06:25 GMT -5
The first question would be whether Hawaii's athletic department operates in the black and has a surplus of several million. Not until the football stadium gets worked out, but yeah, I think some schools are going to prioritize sports other than the obvious ones and Hawaii's 3 volleyball teams and possibly baseball could accomplish a lot if they leverage these changes. We'll see. There was an article about this in the Honolulu Star-Advertiser on July 30th and right now the plan for Hawaii is to opt in, with the intent of increasing the scholarship count to the House limit in all of the sports that make money. That includes men's volleyball: UH’s football, men’s basketball, women’s and men’s volleyball, and baseball programs are considered profitable sports when factoring all revenue streams. With a full ride valued at about $40,000, UH would be able to cover the additional 62.8 scholarships for those sports.Charlie Wade has already started preparing for the 18-player roster limit. It's the reason a couple of UH players were cut loose from the team during the 2024 season. At the time there was confusion as to why the players were let go but he explains in the article that it was in anticipation of opting in to the House settlement: UH men’s volleyball coach Charlie Wade anticipated the NCAA moving toward a hard roster limit. Through the 2023 season, the Warriors’ roster averaged 20 players, with as many as 24. Last year, Wade reduced the roster to 18 — the proposed limit for the 2025 season.
“There are schools with way more than that (this coming season),” Wade said. “I’ve got guys calling me all summer saying, ‘Hey, I want to transfer (to UH).’”
But with the expected roster reduction and the talented incoming recruiting class, Wade told them: “I’m not loading up my roster if I’m going to have to cut you (in a year).” Wade added: “And they never heard of this. I said, it’s coming, and it’s coming quicker than you would think, and as early as this summer. And here we are.”
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For a sport like men’s volleyball, Wade said the proposed 18-player limit would deprive opportunities to some developing players.
“Eighteen is a whole different world for the teams that always loaded up with 20 something,” Wade said. “And part of their success is sheer numbers. The old adage ‘nobody ever beats you from your bench,’ where you can just stockpile guys because you’ve got the logo people like, how many of those guys — 19 through 24 — will never walk into your gym? It’s just not going to happen. It’ll be interesting.”
www.staradvertiser.com/2024/07/30/sports/stephen-tsai-roster-limits-scholarship-distributions-to-bring-new-challenges/ [article is behind a paywall] |
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Post by 808empath on Aug 4, 2024 15:28:16 GMT -5
Not until the football stadium gets worked out, but yeah, I think some schools are going to prioritize sports other than the obvious ones and Hawaii's 3 volleyball teams and possibly baseball could accomplish a lot if they leverage these changes. We'll see. There was an article about this in the Honolulu Star-Advertiser on July 30th and right now the plan for Hawaii is to opt in, with the intent of increasing the scholarship count to the House limit in all of the sports that make money. That includes men's volleyball: UH’s football, men’s basketball, women’s and men’s volleyball, and baseball programs are considered profitable sports when factoring all revenue streams. With a full ride valued at about $40,000, UH would be able to cover the additional 62.8 scholarships for those sports.Charlie Wade has already started preparing for the 18-player roster limit. It's the reason a couple of UH players were cut loose from the team during the 2024 season. At the time there was confusion as to why the players were let go but he explains in the article that it was in anticipation of opting in to the House settlement: UH men’s volleyball coach Charlie Wade anticipated the NCAA moving toward a hard roster limit. Through the 2023 season, the Warriors’ roster averaged 20 players, with as many as 24. Last year, Wade reduced the roster to 18 — the proposed limit for the 2025 season.
“There are schools with way more than that (this coming season),” Wade said. “I’ve got guys calling me all summer saying, ‘Hey, I want to transfer (to UH).’”
But with the expected roster reduction and the talented incoming recruiting class, Wade told them: “I’m not loading up my roster if I’m going to have to cut you (in a year).” Wade added: “And they never heard of this. I said, it’s coming, and it’s coming quicker than you would think, and as early as this summer. And here we are.”
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For a sport like men’s volleyball, Wade said the proposed 18-player limit would deprive opportunities to some developing players.
“Eighteen is a whole different world for the teams that always loaded up with 20 something,” Wade said. “And part of their success is sheer numbers. The old adage ‘nobody ever beats you from your bench,’ where you can just stockpile guys because you’ve got the logo people like, how many of those guys — 19 through 24 — will never walk into your gym? It’s just not going to happen. It’ll be interesting.”
www.staradvertiser.com/2024/07/30/sports/stephen-tsai-roster-limits-scholarship-distributions-to-bring-new-challenges/ [article is behind a paywall] Wow. |
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Post by cosmo on Aug 4, 2024 16:15:42 GMT -5
Current Hawaii Roster is
Rosenthal
Kubr
Lowe
Sakanoko
Weiter
Roure
Todd
Tritski
Kearney
Wade
Nusterer
Hazan
Parks
Thompson
Longfellow
Choy
Taylor
Wheels
Which is exactly 18. Guess it adds up that Wade knew this was coming.
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Post by gofaster88 on Aug 4, 2024 16:48:12 GMT -5
Current Hawaii Roster is Rosenthal Kubr Lowe Sakanoko Weiter Roure Todd Tritski Kearney Wade Nusterer Hazan Parks Thompson Longfellow Choy Taylor Wheels Which is exactly 18. Guess it adds up that Wade knew this was coming. How many Seniors? I'm guessing going forward it's going to be recruit 3-4 players a year and graduate out 3-4 players a year in order to make it work with any redshirt players. |
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Post by westcoastvolleyfreak on Aug 4, 2024 19:01:40 GMT -5
Current Hawaii Roster is Rosenthal Kubr Lowe Sakanoko Weiter Roure Todd Tritski Kearney Wade Nusterer Hazan Parks Thompson Longfellow Choy Taylor Wheels Which is exactly 18. Guess it adds up that Wade knew this was coming. How many Seniors? I'm guessing going forward it's going to be recruit 3-4 players a year and graduate out 3-4 players a year in order to make it work with any redshirt players. seniors - choy, nussterer, thompson, weiter |
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Post by midwestvball1 on Aug 4, 2024 20:58:10 GMT -5
Things to come for many other teams...
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