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Post by midwestvball1 on Oct 22, 2024 9:27:58 GMT -5
D2 and D3 programs are going to benefit from all the D1 schools dropping men's volleyball. Most D1 programs operate in the red and will be cut due to money. Maybe the programs that have endowments will survive, but who will they compete against. Not a good overall outlook for D1 men's volleyball.
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Post by gofaster88 on Oct 22, 2024 13:51:24 GMT -5
D2 and D3 programs are going to benefit from all the D1 schools dropping men's volleyball. Most D1 programs operate in the red and will be cut due to money. Maybe the programs that have endowments will survive, but who will they compete against. Not a good overall outlook for D1 men's volleyball. Would this be the final nail in the coffin of the combined D1/D2 Championship? Wouldn't it make sense for all the D2's to break off, form their own championship and not be forced into the 18-man roster size? |
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Post by gtrich on Oct 22, 2024 14:01:25 GMT -5
Come on, you know you want to see the split screen of the trimmed down, UCLA bench of 18 vs the 50 person bench of Lewis. Ok, just kidding on the Lewis side by maybe 3 or 4 players :-)
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Post by digbigvolley22 on Oct 22, 2024 21:28:24 GMT -5
D2 and D3 programs are going to benefit from all the D1 schools dropping men's volleyball. Most D1 programs operate in the red and will be cut due to money. Maybe the programs that have endowments will survive, but who will they compete against. Not a good overall outlook for D1 men's volleyball. Idk about that I can’t see someone from UCLA, UCI or Pepperdine leaving to go play for a team like King, Nichols, Juniata, Robert Wesleyan just a few programs to name Realistically I can only see players from big name schools leaving to go play for a team like NYU or MIT or maybe even Vassar. I’m afraid most of the players that end up getting cut or on the transfer portal will just end up leaving the sport altogether |
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Post by midwestvball1 on Oct 23, 2024 6:49:03 GMT -5
D2 and D3 programs are going to benefit from all the D1 schools dropping men's volleyball. Most D1 programs operate in the red and will be cut due to money. Maybe the programs that have endowments will survive, but who will they compete against. Not a good overall outlook for D1 men's volleyball. Idk about that I can’t see someone from UCLA, UCI or Pepperdine leaving to go play for a team like King, Nichols, Juniata, Robert Wesleyan just a few programs to name Realistically I can only see players from big name schools leaving to go play for a team like NYU or MIT or maybe even Vassar. I’m afraid most of the players that end up getting cut or on the transfer portal will just end up leaving the sport altogether Good points and I agree. However, my point wasn't about players being cut, but the ENTIRE program being cut. |
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Post by OuchMyBack on Oct 23, 2024 7:55:53 GMT -5
D2 and D3 programs are going to benefit from all the D1 schools dropping men's volleyball. Most D1 programs operate in the red and will be cut due to money. Maybe the programs that have endowments will survive, but who will they compete against. Not a good overall outlook for D1 men's volleyball. Would this be the final nail in the coffin of the combined D1/D2 Championship? Wouldn't it make sense for all the D2's to break off, form their own championship and not be forced into the 18-man roster size? I'm of the impression that the D2 schools are not needing to abide by the roster limit. |
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Post by gtrich on Oct 23, 2024 9:35:41 GMT -5
Would this be the final nail in the coffin of the combined D1/D2 Championship? Wouldn't it make sense for all the D2's to break off, form their own championship and not be forced into the 18-man roster size? I'm of the impression that the D2 schools are not needing to abide by the roster limit. I think where gofaster88 was going is if the 35 or so D1 teams have to cut back to 18, the kids on those teams that get cut may end up rolling down to the D2's that don't have the limit (assuming the D1 kid wants to transfer to one of the D2 schools). If there is no similar trickle down from the D2's to the D3's, the D2 teams are will just get larger and larger (hence my joke about the 50 person Lewis team). Eventually, it's going to be pretty comical when one side of the court has 6 kids playing and 12 kids on the bench, while the other side has 6 kids on the court and a 40 person bench. Will the D1's eventually say enough, this is crazy that our 18 person team has to compete against a 40 person team. Or will they ignore it because the theory is that they will still get the top talent and their 18th player will be as good, or maybe better, than the top 1 or 2 on the D2 team. I don't think they will care until they lose an important game to one of the new D2 roster giants. I'm going by memory here, but I think this is pretty accurate, the other challenge on the transfer side is that most of the D2's are going to be mid-west in MIVA and East Coast in Conference Carolina. Just throwing out some random schools, will the kid that gets cut at UCSD or Long Beach, really want to move all the way across the country to play at Mount Olive or Erskine or Emanuel? Or, as others have mentioned, will those kids just drop out of the sport. |
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Post by MonroeClark90 on Oct 23, 2024 10:43:30 GMT -5
I think College Men's Club volleyball is about to get a lot more popular.
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Post by wilbur on Oct 23, 2024 11:36:39 GMT -5
I'm of the impression that the D2 schools are not needing to abide by the roster limit. I think where gofaster88 was going is if the 35 or so D1 teams have to cut back to 18, the kids on those teams that get cut may end up rolling down to the D2's that don't have the limit (assuming the D1 kid wants to transfer to one of the D2 schools). If there is no similar trickle down from the D2's to the D3's, the D2 teams are will just get larger and larger (hence my joke about the 50 person Lewis team). Eventually, it's going to be pretty comical when one side of the court has 6 kids playing and 12 kids on the bench, while the other side has 6 kids on the court and a 40 person bench. Will the D1's eventually say enough, this is crazy that our 18 person team has to compete against a 40 person team. Or will they ignore it because the theory is that they will still get the top talent and their 18th player will be as good, or maybe better, than the top 1 or 2 on the D2 team. I don't think they will care until they lose an important game to one of the new D2 roster giants. I'm going by memory here, but I think this is pretty accurate, the other challenge on the transfer side is that most of the D2's are going to be mid-west in MIVA and East Coast in Conference Carolina. Just throwing out some random schools, will the kid that gets cut at UCSD or Long Beach, really want to move all the way across the country to play at Mount Olive or Erskine or Emanuel? Or, as others have mentioned, will those kids just drop out of the sport. Menlo and Vangaurd are now D2 and in the MPSF, do they develop more like CI of the past 5 years or do we see a new version of program that gets top recruits and is competitive in the MPSF / NCAA? |
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Post by jmpy5 on Oct 23, 2024 15:24:53 GMT -5
I think College Men's Club volleyball is about to get a lot more popular. They have a limit of 2 former NCAA/NAIA players per team. Last year Loyola won the DI with two former varsity players. Wisconsin won the year before with I think 1 former varsity player. The NCAA counts a year playing club at a school which has a varsity team against an athlete's eligibility to avoid use of the club team as a JV. |
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Post by koavball on Oct 23, 2024 15:39:33 GMT -5
A lot of the players 19-30 on these teams with huge rosters are walk ons and a lot of them will just stay at their current schools and just not play volleyball anymore.
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Post by wilbur on Oct 23, 2024 15:59:29 GMT -5
A lot of the players 19-30 on these teams with huge rosters are walk ons and a lot of them will just stay at their current schools and just not play volleyball anymore. how many #19-30 players see any playing time and/or get any scholarship? Could a school keep those players as practice players and not roster them a season? If they get better they move into the 18 the next season. They don't get to do hitting lines between sets but other than that it could look a lot like the current version. |
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Post by ITA/USA on Oct 23, 2024 16:38:55 GMT -5
If the programs find the funds to finance at least a quota of the newly possible scholarships, this new rule could end up being a good thing for the diffusion of men volleyball in the States. When a young talented kid can choose which sport to play I am sure the potential help in paying for an education is seriously taken in consideration.
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Post by babybacksets on Oct 24, 2024 4:10:13 GMT -5
Goddamn this thread is depressing lol
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Post by jcvball22 on Oct 24, 2024 16:17:54 GMT -5
A lot of the players 19-30 on these teams with huge rosters are walk ons and a lot of them will just stay at their current schools and just not play volleyball anymore. how many #19-30 players see any playing time and/or get any scholarship? Could a school keep those players as practice players and not roster them a season? If they get better they move into the 18 the next season. They don't get to do hitting lines between sets but other than that it could look a lot like the current version. No, because practice players will now count against the roster limit. |
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