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Post by beachman on Sept 29, 2006 18:18:30 GMT -5
I am in total agreement that this kind of conduct should not be permitted by any responsible AD anywhere. The players can deal with a home crowd atmosphere but it can be carried to extremes. Personally defacing comments are wrong, PERIOD! Furthermore fans should NOT be allowed to sit right on the court. The impairs the safety of the playing surface and that can get someone hurt. IF that's what happens at Missouri then Texas has a right to complain....frankly after watching Missouri play 3 times in Long Beach I am still amazed that they even took a single game off of Texas They are NOT a very talented team!
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Post by Chance on Sept 29, 2006 18:28:26 GMT -5
NEws flash poindexter, the overwhelming majority of us haven't been to a Missouri volleyball game, so unless you're willing to pony up with specific quotes, these vague allegations of "bad stuff" will soon drop off the radar much like whatever innuendo someone tried to start about Jamie Houston. Expecting us to join in your kvetching with no proof just makes you look like a putz. agreed... Also your link didnt work.
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Post by Wolfgang on Sept 29, 2006 18:30:26 GMT -5
Permissible heckling vs. Impermissible heckling reequires a case-by-case analysis and judgment. I haven't been to watch the Missouri matches so without more details, I can't say one way or the other. Mere booing is okay and perfectly innocent. Sitting on the floor is dangerous to all parties so the gym/arena authorities should put a stop to that immediately. Things like students lying on their backs and looking toward the server's you-know-where to get a good view of...ahem...you know what...while whistling or making slurping sounds or wiggling their tongues, to rattle the server is, well, that's just rude and sophomoric and someone should stomp these guys' faces (and tongues) while they're lying on the ground. I'm just trying to illustrate the point here...there's a range of behavior from permissible to impermissible. Just don't know where the Missouri situation lies.
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Post by Wolfgang on Sept 29, 2006 18:36:26 GMT -5
Maaan, I remember when Stanford beat Long Beach State for the 2001 National title and at the end of game 2, I believe, Keri Nishimoto (of LBSU) served long on game point to win the game for Stanford. Afterwards, whenever Keri went back to serve, a bunch of hecklers yelled "It's your fault!" in unison. So brutal and yet, so funny at the same time!
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Post by TheSantaBarbarian on Sept 29, 2006 18:37:14 GMT -5
This is good, we haven't had a thread like this yet this year. Things were just far too quite. ;D
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Post by cmmhc4 on Sept 29, 2006 18:59:20 GMT -5
This is already overblown. I admit, it probably is uncomfortable to people who haven't played in situations like Missouri's but it's not as bad as some of you are imagining.
Chairs placed at the end of the courts is not really that dangerous. I have yet to see a girl come close to these chairs during play. However, some servers will go as far back as possible so that they purposely touch the chair forcing the fans on the students side to move. In this section of chairs, the students stand. However, the Missouri fans on the other end are generally children and parents who sit. If I remember correctly, the space is comparable to where Nebraska's chairs are located at the end of their court. I can only assume that if the seats were moved back 10 ft, some players would continue to move back as far as they could.
If it's so disruptive and rude, I highly doubt officials or opposing teams would permiss students to get away with it as they do without forcing them to sit.
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Post by Phaedrus on Sept 29, 2006 19:11:48 GMT -5
There is heckling and then there is heckling. I would expect better material from the supposed future of America, although they are not immune to the general malais plaguing our society in the creativity department. (At this point I can take a really cheap shot at Missouri and the general state of funding in the state of Missouri for higher education, but I shall refrain).
There are ways to get into the heads of the opponent, discombobulate them, make them seeth with anger, take them out of their game without resorting to foul language and sexual innuendoes. Duke students have generally been very clever and insulting and the same time while cheering at Cameron Inddor. There one fellow who sits right behind the visitor's bench in Washington DC who regularly distracts and amuses the opposing team.
Itcan be done effective, the fans just ave to be smart and imaginative, which I guess is the point here: college students in the aforementioned institutions seem to have been legacies at the school, admitted because they are less then stellar scholars but have a rich daddy. In fact, at Mizzou, you don't even need to have attended, if your daddy is rich enough, they will name the basketball arena after you, even if you cheated at school, in California.
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Post by cmmhc4 on Sept 29, 2006 19:50:06 GMT -5
There is heckling and then there is heckling. I would expect better material from the supposed future of America, although they are not immune to the general malais plaguing our society in the creativity department. (At this point I can take a really cheap shot at Missouri and the general state of funding in the state of Missouri for higher education, but I shall refrain). There are ways to get into the heads of the opponent, discombobulate them, make them seeth with anger, take them out of their game without resorting to foul language and sexual innuendoes. Duke students have generally been very clever and insulting and the same time while cheering at Cameron Inddor. There one fellow who sits right behind the visitor's bench in Washington DC who regularly distracts and amuses the opposing team. Itcan be done effective, the fans just ave to be smart and imaginative, which I guess is the point here: college students in the aforementioned institutions seem to have been legacies at the school, admitted because they are less then stellar scholars but have a rich daddy. In fact, at Mizzou, you don't even need to have attended, if your daddy is rich enough, they will name the basketball arena after you, even if you cheated at school, in California. Did Nancy Grace impersonators take over the Volleytalk Forum? Again, give me a break. Student cheering sections representing a damaged society and the "general malais[e] plaguing our society in the creativity department." Get off your moral high ground. It's a volleyball game whose student section is stereotypically filled with kids from a dorm known mostly for Engineering and Computer Science. Legacies admitted because they have rich parents? This isn't the 1950's and Mizzou isn't a George Bush documentary. Mizzou was very grateful for the Laurie contribution allowing for the completion of Mizzou Sports Arena. I know of no student who wanted the stadium to be named after the Laurie daughter... but we didn't pay for it.
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Post by fabulous on Sept 29, 2006 20:12:08 GMT -5
I wish I could heckle a tennis player when he/she is serving during a tennis match, but, I am sure I would be kicked out if not warned by the ref to stop first.
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Post by bearwatch on Sept 29, 2006 20:50:13 GMT -5
Just talked with some of the Baylor players who played at Mizzou on Wednesday (BTW, they won game 2 and was up 26-21 in the 3rd but lost a close one) and they said it was a really bad situation with the endline crowd. The Refs were terrible, the Baylor Coach had to complain 3x to get them to stop touching the server or standing in FRONT of the deep server when they served. They yelled and whistled in the players ear from 3 inches away. This is over the line. It pissed Taylor Barnes off so bad she rattled off 11 aces. Then on top of that someone on this board had the nerve to say Baylor needed to learn something about sportmanship. It's absurb. The linesmen called 5 balls that were out, IN. The team watched it on tape and 5 were clearly out. This place is over the line and I hope something is done about it.
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Post by Chance on Sept 29, 2006 21:13:42 GMT -5
I wish I could heckle a tennis player when he/she is serving during a tennis match, but, I am sure I would be kicked out if not warned by the ref to stop first. What's the point? I wish i could heckle a basketball player but, OH WAIT, I CAN! what point does the tennis thing make? Just talked with some of the Baylor players who played at Mizzou on Wednesday (BTW, they won game 2 and was up 26-21 in the 3rd but lost a close one) and they said it was a really bad situation with the endline crowd. The Refs were terrible, the Baylor Coach had to complain 3x to get them to stop touching the server or standing in FRONT of the deep server when they served. They yelled and whistled in the players ear from 3 inches away. This is over the line. It pissed Taylor Barnes off so bad she rattled off 11 aces. Then on top of that someone on this board had the nerve to say Baylor needed to learn something about sportmanship. It's absurb. The linesmen called 5 balls that were out, IN. The team watched it on tape and 5 were clearly out. This place is over the line and I hope something is done about it. I'm confused. Do the students just kindof mill around in the baseline area without being in any kind of stands or chairs? How do they wind up in FRONT of a server? And if they really are touching the servers, thats horrible, but i also have to question the Baylor coach. If my players are really being physically touched by the fans, im going to stop the game and make an enourmous deal to the extent that the refs are either going to stop the fans, or my team is going to walk out and leave, and I'm going to protest the hell out of the game to the big 12 if they try and call it a forfit... Is any of this on tape?
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Post by cmmhc4 on Sept 29, 2006 21:28:02 GMT -5
Just talked with some of the Baylor players who played at Mizzou on Wednesday (BTW, they won game 2 and was up 26-21 in the 3rd but lost a close one) and they said it was a really bad situation with the endline crowd. The Refs were terrible, the Baylor Coach had to complain 3x to get them to stop touching the server or standing in FRONT of the deep server when they served. They yelled and whistled in the players ear from 3 inches away. This is over the line. It pissed Taylor Barnes off so bad she rattled off 11 aces. Then on top of that someone on this board had the nerve to say Baylor needed to learn something about sportmanship. It's absurb. The linesmen called 5 balls that were out, IN. The team watched it on tape and 5 were clearly out. This place is over the line and I hope something is done about it. Touching players? That's quite an accusation and would result in having the person removed. I saw none of that. Yelled and whistled in the players ear from behind? Yes, they do that at every game. The refs were awful on both sides and it was pretty much out of control at points. There were quite a few replays and both teams had dramatic momentum changes, which Mizzou never had much of anyways, due to a lot of poor calls. The person who posted about Baylor's poor attitude was likely referring to their girls clapping at the up ref when they made a call on Mizzou that was beneficial to them. I saw this snarky behavior multiple times. I was really surprised no one on their team received yellow cards for this. The person probably still remembered how ridiculous Baylor acted last year when they were at Mizzou. I think it's a little different when a team heckles an up ref or opposing team than when a fan heckles a player. Sure, that's a double standard but we expect fans to act inappropriately.. not players.
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Post by cmmhc4 on Sept 29, 2006 21:46:37 GMT -5
I'm confused. Do the students just kindof mill around in the baseline area without being in any kind of stands or chairs? How do they wind up in FRONT of a server? There are two rows of chairs at the end court area on both sides. On one side is two rows of a part of the student section. The rest of the student section sits above these rows in the regular arena seating. The other side is generally family and children. Usually teams will serve in front of the standing students but as the game goes on will move back further so their legs touch the chairs, egging the students on and displacing some students to their sides. It's a funny game I've seen several teams do. Their is ample space for them to serve. As I said earlier, it's much like Nebraska's court but those fans don't stand and look asleep. I don't know if there are NCAA rules about seating but I wouldn't consider it extreme. As I said earlier, if these seats were moved further back, teams would still try to make fans move because they get so affected by the noise. There's a fairly large student section and a pretty loud band sitting on that end. I would guess something will be done since so many teams can't handle it and get upset. It wasn't quite as loud or rowdy last year. We'll see what the situation is like next week. I don't know if they'll make the students sit when the opposing team serves or remove the section entirely which would be an extreme choice.
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Post by fabulous on Sept 29, 2006 22:40:24 GMT -5
I wish I could heckle a tennis player when he/she is serving during a tennis match, but, I am sure I would be kicked out if not warned by the ref to stop first. What's the point? I wish i could heckle a basketball player but, OH WAIT, I CAN! what point does the tennis thing make? There is a point. The point is, heckling a tennis player when he is ready to serve isn't allowed for a valid reason.
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Post by bearwatch on Sept 29, 2006 22:48:25 GMT -5
[The person who posted about Baylor's poor attitude was likely referring to their girls clapping at the up ref when they made a call on Mizzou that was beneficial to them. I saw this snarky behavior multiple times.
What the heck is wrong with clapping when the official got the call right. This is a very strange example of Bad sportsmanship. Everyone claps when a play goes there way. This really, really pales in comparison to what was being yelled at the players and YES the jump servers would back up until the fans would touch them. It pales in comparison to having a cheating linesmen who likely caused this young team to lose a chance at beating a very good ranked team. I love rowdy places with spirited fans but this particular incedent was over the line.
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