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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2006 22:49:12 GMT -5
This is what guys do at sporting events and exactly why you have to watch what you wish for in terms of increasing attendence. Again, MANY males go to these events to be the center of attention.
Can we keep them in the football stadiums?
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Post by Chance on Sept 30, 2006 0:25:04 GMT -5
This is what guys do at sporting events and exactly why you have to watch what you wish for in terms of increasing attendence. Again, MANY males go to these events to be the center of attention. Can we keep them in the football stadiums?
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Post by Gorf on Sept 30, 2006 1:50:31 GMT -5
Umm.. That picture doesn't look like it was taken at a Women's Volleyball match.
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Post by OverAndUnder on Sept 30, 2006 9:05:21 GMT -5
The refs were awful on both sides and it was pretty much out of control at points. There were quite a few replays and both teams had dramatic momentum changes, which Mizzou never had much of anyways, due to a lot of poor calls. Now this is something solid we can work with. There should be an automatic review of the rating for any ref at a match when there are "quite a few replays". A replay may be fine for co-ed city leagues but in competitive volleyball they should be EXTREMELY rare, especially when you're talking about a perennial top 30 Division I program who should know better. Unless there were some structural issues in the gym which impeded play (in which case the school should be criticized for choice of venue) , I would be very suspicious of the refereeing staff at a game with multiple replays.
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Post by Chance on Sept 30, 2006 9:18:11 GMT -5
Umm.. That picture doesn't look like it was taken at a Women's Volleyball match. This is what guys do at sporting events and exactly why you have to watch what you wish for in terms of increasing attendence. Again, MANY males go to these events to be the center of attention. Can we keep them in the football stadiums?
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Post by itsallaboutme on Sept 30, 2006 9:23:32 GMT -5
Not even close to being the same. First, those seats at Nebraska seat directly under the overhang of the seats above. Clearly out of playing area. Second, those seats require season tickets that include a $2500 donation. Not likely to pull in lot of immature out of control students. Third, some of the end line area is reserved for the handicapped, again, not like the type to get out of their wheel chairs or chant nasty things.
Anyone who got near, touched or was yelling obscene comments would be out of there in a heartbeat.
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Post by Thrill of the 'ville on Sept 30, 2006 9:58:05 GMT -5
She complains about being booed during intros? Thats dumb. I can understand getting upset if racial slurs or sexual harrassment is being done but complaining about being booed during intros is the dumbest thing I've heard.
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Post by Gorf on Sept 30, 2006 12:26:53 GMT -5
If that's the dumbest thing you've ever heard you haven't heard much and may want to consider getting your hearing checked.
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Post by bigfan on Sept 30, 2006 12:27:28 GMT -5
I've heard parents say far worse to their own children! Don't you ever insult me again.
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Post by bigfan on Sept 30, 2006 12:28:59 GMT -5
.....we're talking foul language being used, horrendous remarks about girls bodies etc. No one beats BYU fans.
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Post by GatorVball on Sept 30, 2006 13:32:14 GMT -5
Welcome to the world we live in. We have parents at little league games fighting with other parents, coaches, threatening the kids on the other team. It's basically an epidemic in today's society. People aren't afraid to be out of line at sporting events. It used to just be limited to football, basketball, baseball and boxing, but it's reached over into women's sports at all levels. Go to a youth sporting event in your area and you'll see it. I'm by no means condoning it and certainly something needs to be done about it, but it's a nationwide problem and I'm not really sure there is a fix. Every team has bad fans. They sadly ruin it for the rest of us who cheer on our teams, but in a respectful manner.
It's one of the reasons why I'm not that big a fan of all these free promotions to increase attendance. You bring in, for lack of a better term, the riff raff who think volleyball is just like football and it gives you a license to act like an ahole. And believe me, it's not limited to just men. I've seen and heard just as much from women as I have men over the years.
As for poor officiating, well that is life on the road. You have to tell your team that when you go on the road, calls are gonna go against you and you just have to deal with it. It's also the result of too many officials who have no business being officials at this level. For whatever reason, incompetence runs high in officials in all sports at the collegiate level.
Just out of curiosity, do they allow alcohol at Missouri? What about other schools, is alcohol served? And on that note, I have a football game to go to. I'm sure I'll see a lot of rude behavior.
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Post by Gorf on Sept 30, 2006 13:53:36 GMT -5
Part of the problem with officials is the lack of clarity in the definition of some rules.
The rules for calling a "lift" are vague and many (if not most) referees take it upon themselves to interpret the rule differently for each player / position.
Ourside hitters and setters can throw / lob the ball pretty much anywhere in their opponent's side of the court.
Middles can use water polo type shots to get around blocks or use slam dunk style attacks on over passes.
On first attampts on defense or serve receive players can catch the ball overhanded, walk it to the net and hand it to the setter. The rules say double contacts are allow on the first attempt not lifts yet lifts are commonly allowed.
On hitter coverage referees call lifts on things that have less contact and take place much more quickly than they let go as being non-lift calls in the other situations.
As noted in other threads many referees call double contacts based on spin rather than based on actually seeing the double contact. There are numerous instances where referees call a double contact on a player when the positioning of the player's hands in relation to the position of the refereee would make it virtually impossible for the referee to actually have seen a double contact.
Referees often enough cave in to criticism (boos, etc) from fans that wouldn't know what the rules are if they were bitten by the rule book.
Rules interpreters discussing how they teach / train referees each season constantly claim (when I've talked to them and read about them) that the lift calls ought to be handled the same for all players in all positions yet the majority of referees that I've seen fail to follow that training.
It would help if the rules that are written in such a vague manner were rewritten to be much more specific and allowing for much less on the fly interpretation by referees.
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Post by TIGERS PWN on Sept 30, 2006 13:56:54 GMT -5
Missouri has been a dry campus since 2000.
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Post by Chance on Sept 30, 2006 14:20:55 GMT -5
Missouri has been a dry campus since 2000. You forgot to put "dry campus" in quotes.
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Post by cmmhc4 on Sept 30, 2006 14:33:00 GMT -5
[The person who posted about Baylor's poor attitude was likely referring to their girls clapping at the up ref when they made a call on Mizzou that was beneficial to them. I saw this snarky behavior multiple times. What the heck is wrong with clapping when the official got the call right. This is a very strange example of Bad sportsmanship. Everyone claps when a play goes there way. This really, really pales in comparison to what was being yelled at the players and YES the jump servers would back up until the fans would touch them. It pales in comparison to having a cheating linesmen who likely caused this young team to lose a chance at beating a very good ranked team. I love rowdy places with spirited fans but this particular incedent was over the line. Not clapping with their team in celebration but mocking a referee multiple times. There's a major difference, sorry if I did not clarify. It's just something I don't generally see from athletes at that level. Earlier in the week, before the game, I had a conversation with my roommate and another friend about their strange bahavior the previous year. Expletives were used to describe their behavior then. I'll leave it at that. I still, however, did not see any fan touch a player... never have... and really doubt that would fly with anyone, anywhere. If players want to move so far back as to touch the seats, as Baylor players were making a point to do, then they have to expect fans to be standing close to them to move out of the way. We've never had this problem until the past two games when teams decide to test what officials will do in this situation. It seems to be out of control... I guess we'll see what happens next week at home. And cheating linesmen causing your young team to lose a game? I'm highly suspect of anyone claiming officials caused their team to lose a game, let alone cheating. Especially second hand conjecture. As I've stated before, the officiating was awful on both sides. I had never seen these officials before, to my knowledge, officiate at Mizzou but they lacked compusure causing both sides some really detrimental momentum changes. Also, both teams were young.. Baylor had three freshmen playing at any given time just the same as Missouri.
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