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Post by aaronic on Oct 12, 2006 20:36:07 GMT -5
All I can say is we will see what happens tomorrow. Gosh ... I still think this is ridiculous. I thought last season was bad with Hittle and Mason's ankle injuries, but it's nothing compared to this year. It's kind of ironic that the years the Wahine DIDNT have depth there were no injuries. Remember in 2001 when the Wahine only had Willoughby, Duggins, Tano, Gustin, and Carey (if you can count her as one) as the hitters, none of them were hurt all through out the season and there was only a couple backups in Nikolic and Eckmier. Then in 2002 there was only Willoughby, Kahumoku, Duggins, Tano, Gustin, Lundqvist, and Eckmier, yet they were all healthy. Fast forward to this season where there are a dozen hitters and three season-ending injuries go down. Weird. Gustin had some pretty tough injuries throughout career, nothing season-ending, but still.... she managed to go down either right before the season opener, or right around NCAA's.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Oct 12, 2006 21:07:30 GMT -5
So, anyone notice a pattern with the injured players?
Tara Hittle has really put on a lot of muscle and bulked up from intense working out.
Nickie Thomas made HUGE strides over the off-season to become a better player.
Jessica Keefe has been a very driven and competive trainer and worked out a lot to be at the top of her game.
Kanoe is a bit banged up still, too, and she's always put in a full workout in the gym.
It makes one wonder if the training regime' that the weight crew is using for volleyball is the same as in recent years. If its different, I'd DEFINITELY change the weight room tactics.
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Post by LowVBIQ on Oct 12, 2006 21:55:01 GMT -5
So, anyone notice a pattern with the injured players? Tara Hittle has really put on a lot of muscle and bulked up from intense working out. Nickie Thomas made HUGE strides over the off-season to become a better player. Jessica Keefe has been a very driven and competive trainer and worked out a lot to be at the top of her game. Kanoe is a bit banged up still, too, and she's always put in a full workout in the gym. It makes one wonder if the training regime' that the weight crew is using for volleyball is the same as in recent years. If its different, I'd DEFINITELY change the weight room tactics. I think you may be on to something. I also would love to hear from an insider if the weight room tactics have changed. One thing I did notice when I went to the match at SJSU, Amber Kaufman was much heavier/bulkier than when I saw her last spring high jumping at the Stanford Invitational. Hmmmm...Trainers have to be exceptionally careful of the younger players. They should try to add the muscle slowly. Let the tendons adjust. Anyone remember the formula for how much pressure you absorb when you land on one leg? (Has to do with force and body weight--physics anyone???)
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Post by FUBAR on Oct 12, 2006 22:14:05 GMT -5
Is it official that the NMSU site will have a video web cast? Unless they are doing something different for tomorrow night there will be no video for the game. The high school gym really isn't set up for tv/video. I can't find anywhere it will be online.
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Post by 5100 on Oct 12, 2006 22:51:52 GMT -5
IB, Karin played the first half of 2002 because Maja had plantar fasciitis. Karin tore her ACL in November, I think, and missed the rest of the season. Fortunately, Maja was available then.
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Post by GatorVball on Oct 12, 2006 22:53:56 GMT -5
So, anyone notice a pattern with the injured players? Tara Hittle has really put on a lot of muscle and bulked up from intense working out. Nickie Thomas made HUGE strides over the off-season to become a better player. Jessica Keefe has been a very driven and competive trainer and worked out a lot to be at the top of her game. Kanoe is a bit banged up still, too, and she's always put in a full workout in the gym. It makes one wonder if the training regime' that the weight crew is using for volleyball is the same as in recent years. If its different, I'd DEFINITELY change the weight room tactics. It could definitely be an issue. I know that when Florida suffered 3 ACL tears during the 1994 season, they completely revamped the way they trained their athletes. I'm not exactly sure what they did, but they spent a lot of time with experts, studying how to best prevent acl tears in athletes, esp. females who seem to be more susceptible to it. Injuries still occur, even with the best training and preventive measures, but not as often as they did in the past. Dave should call Mary for advice, cause she knows what it's like to deal with multiple acl injuries in one season.
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Post by 5100 on Oct 12, 2006 23:04:50 GMT -5
] You have a point to some degree...however when hittle or houston is set on the rightside there chances of getting a kill as oppose to keefe was much greater, and its the same system. Hawaii just likes to put their weakest hitter there. I hope Sealy does bring the mens aspect of the game to the wahine...if you look at the mens team their top hitters are always the opposite When Hittle was playing right side, she averaged 2 and a half kills per game but the other outsides were averaging 4.09 and 3.83. Compare that now to Keefe who is averaging one and a half kills per game but Houston is averaging almost six kills a game and Mason approaching the 4 kpg average. You might remember Tano averaged just one and a half kills per game but hit .400 or so. It's not that she wasn't effective, it's because the left sides were receiving the majority of the sets. Willoughby was averaging 6 1/2 kills per game while Kahumoku had five kills a game.
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Post by FUBAR on Oct 12, 2006 23:47:33 GMT -5
I think Shoji understands something about women's volleyball that some of the posters here don't. In most cases right side hitters are not very high % bad ball hitters. It's very rare in womens volleyball to have a right side hitter who can bail a team out of bad situations. In men's volleyball this is quite common.
If you only have 2 high ball hitters who are reliable, it's suicide to put one on the right (unless she's a natural there, like a Pavan). With Hittle out, Hawai'i is in this situation. They would be much much easier to deal with if you could serve either Mason or Houston out of the play because she is on the right.
Hawai'i looks a little more boring this way, but they really are better.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 12, 2006 23:53:15 GMT -5
I think Shoji understands something about women's volleyball that some of the posters here don't. In most cases right side hitters are not very high % bad ball hitters. It's very rare in womens volleyball to have a right side hitter who can bail a team out of bad situations. In men's volleyball this is quite common. If you only have 2 high ball hitters who are reliable, it's suicide to put one on the right (unless she's a natural there, like a Pavan). With Hittle out, Hawai'i is in this situation. They would be much much easier to deal with if you could serve either Mason or Houston out of the play because she is on the right. Hawai'i looks a little more boring this way, but they really are better. Excellent post!
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 13, 2006 0:30:38 GMT -5
These injuries just suck. This is a pretty beaten up Wahine team. Some Wisconsin fans (who will remain nameless) think injuries are not an excuse but Hello, when a team loses three players who have had starting roles for the Wahine this season...somebody has to give. Not to mention injuries that a couple of the Wahine are still playing with. I know injuries are a part of the game but Hawai'i has sure had more than its share already.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Oct 13, 2006 1:16:46 GMT -5
Just tempting Beachman, aren't ya BiK?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2006 1:26:41 GMT -5
These injuries just suck. This is a pretty beaten up Wahine team. Some Wisconsin fans (who will remain nameless) think injuries are not an excuse but Hello, when a team loses three players who have had starting roles for the Wahine this season...somebody has to give. Not to mention injuries that a couple of the Wahine are still playing with. I know injuries are a part of the game but Hawai'i has sure had more than its share already. I must say I can't remember a Hawaii team with this many injuries. Last years team was downright healthy compared to this one. It just seems like they seem to be fluke accidents that happen while playing the game, nothing you can really do about that. You're right in that you can't have 3 starters to go down and expect to be just as good of a team.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2006 1:35:25 GMT -5
For NMSU, this will be a critical match for their future. If they win, they can really show Hawaii's weaknesses and might be able to show that Hawaii is beatable by WAC teams. It can be something for them to build on in the future. However, if they don't win, that can be an absolute confidence killer. Hawaii only has 6 hitters available counting the back up setter (and not counting Blood as we don't know if she has flown out or not. 2 projected starters for 2006 are out, along with another right side hitter and one player redshirting. Compared to the rest of the WAC, Hawaii will be loaded for the next few years. Under certain plausible assumptions, everyone will return in 2007 aside from Kamanao and Mason. Houston and Hittle will be around to 2008. If there was a time to beat Hawaii, this is the year. If not, that sense of Hawaii being invinsible to WAC teams will only grow stronger. You're right that Hawaii is never going to more vulnerable than it is right now. I haven't really thought about it until now, but assuming the players can recover from their injuries Hawaii will indeed be very deep next year, not to mention several very good recruits coming in. New Mexico State also graduates several key players this year, next year looks to be a rebuilding one for them.
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Post by hwnstunner on Oct 13, 2006 1:46:50 GMT -5
I think Shoji understands something about women's volleyball that some of the posters here don't. In most cases right side hitters are not very high % bad ball hitters. It's very rare in womens volleyball to have a right side hitter who can bail a team out of bad situations. In men's volleyball this is quite common. If you only have 2 high ball hitters who are reliable, it's suicide to put one on the right (unless she's a natural there, like a Pavan). With Hittle out, Hawai'i is in this situation. They would be much much easier to deal with if you could serve either Mason or Houston out of the play because she is on the right. Hawai'i looks a little more boring this way, but they really are better. Okay, just my two cents on the right side attack. As we all know, Shoji has never recruited right side hitters. The right side position is more like training ground for future outside hitters (Willoughby, Boogaard, Hittle, Keefe) or a spot given to a left over middle (Roberts, Tano, Prince (before Eckmier was hurt Prince's junior year). Because the right side is more like a training spot, or a position where the 5th best hitter on the team is placed, the sets won't go there. The job for a Wahine right side is mainly to block (and set the second ball before anyway). That's the role the right side has always played in the Wahine offense. It's as simple as that. However, IF a terminating player is on the right side, the Wahine WILL set there. Willoughby and Hittle were strong hitters, which is why they received a lot of sets when they played there. They were more than capable attackers because they could hit pure five sets. However, converted middles such as Roberts and Tano are limited mostly to backsets and slides meaning that they're role is also based on the team's passing. Because they can't hit pure fives (because they are used to middle attacks), they can't be used as outlet hitters like Willoughby and Hittle could be because Hittle and Willoughby could approach and take full swings. And as I've said all year long, AS MUCH AS I LOVE Keefe, she doesn't have the ability to carry much of a load like Willoughby or Hittle and I believe she also was a converted middle from high school, which shows because her approach and swing is not smooth like Houston or Mason. But because Keefe is the 5th best attacker on the team, she's on the right. Plain and simple. She puts up a very good block, but she doesn't have the firepower to put the ball away. Even thuogh Kaufman is also a converted middle, she is really bound to the same role as Tano. To put the ball away when the pass is good. However, from what she has shown, she is more than capable of putting the ball away. But the amount of sets really depends on how Hawaii passes (so she can hit her slide) or if she can take outlet sets (such as the five) when passes are bad or when the outside isn't an option (like Willoughby and Hittle). The right side may not be critical to the Wahine offense, but there's definitley more to it than just not being set much. If the player is capable they'll get and put away there share of sets.
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Post by ACE on Oct 13, 2006 2:07:59 GMT -5
You have a point to some degree...however when hittle or houston is set on the rightside there chances of getting a kill as oppose to keefe was much greater, and its the same system. Hawaii just likes to put their weakest hitter there. I hope Sealy does bring the mens aspect of the game to the wahine...if you look at the mens team their top hitters are always the opposite Mason just doest hit well from the rightside...she is not a versital hitter what somepeople thought she was prior to the season starting. I agree...Mason's footwork on the rightside just isn't crisp or coordinated. Hittle belonged there. She looked awesome hitting the crossing plays.
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