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Post by mikesmith on Nov 20, 2006 4:23:59 GMT -5
So... I was thinking.
Since Nebraska is the number 1 team in the nation, even after losing to #28 Colorado, and only beating 1 top 10 team (Texas) are the fans of corn huskerville concerned about the tournament.
UCLA has lost to #3 Stanford and #2 Washington...
Washington has lost to #4 USC, #6 UCLA and #8 Texas...
USC has lost to #3 Stanford, #2 Washington, and #6 UCLA...
Stanford has lost to #4 USC, #2 Washington, and (unranked) BYU...
Looks like a lot of tough competition in the West.
I don't know.
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Post by SaltNPepper on Nov 20, 2006 6:06:30 GMT -5
I don't think I or most Husker fans are more concerned about the tournament that the fans from any of the other top programs.
It would be no surprise if the National Champion came from the group of 6 teams you mention above. So I make it the Pac-10 about a 2 to 3 favorite to win it all and Nebraska and PSU combined about 1 to 3 underdog. That's strictly a numbers deal.
I think it would be a bit of a surprise if someone outside of those 6 were to win the National Championship - I'm would image Florida and Texas and Utah and Wisconsin and Minnesota and others are not ready to concede the tournament yet to one of those 6, so who knows.
I think it will boil down to which team(s) have a couple of real good weekends in December and catch a break or two in the seeding. Not necessarily that they have any easier route, but more of drawing some teams they seem to match up against pretty well and not catching someone that is really on fire some night. If these teams play "OK" in rounds 1 and 2, they should have no problem advancing to the regionals. Then they'll just need to get hot for 3 or 4 matches.
After Nebraska's lose to Colorado, they had a very good week and looked like a team that could make it deep in the tournament. So they may be ready. The problem for any of them is it only takes one bad (or less that very good) game to end it all. It will definitely be fun to watch and see how it all plays out.
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Post by lilred on Nov 20, 2006 7:30:09 GMT -5
Can Penn State and Nebraska beat the PAC 10
As I have said before, on an individual case by case basis, yes Nebraska, Penn St., Texas or Florida can compete with the Pac-10 teams. Is it likely that a Pac-10 team will win it all....yes. The chances are at minimum 50% if you consider that these 8 teams are the most likely to win it all. It rises obviously when you throw in "other" factors, including but not limited to
1. The playing of matches on back to back nights (tourney format) during conference play 2. Week in week out tough competition from the middle to the end of the year, as opposed to having the schedule stacked in pre-conference tourneys 3. Tradition
I think this tourney is definately going to be the most interesting since 2000. As stated the champion is going to have to catch a lot more breaks than in previous years throughout the tourney. Should be fun.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2006 7:52:37 GMT -5
Am I concerned, sure. However as I've mentioned before I think this group of Pac 10 teams is very inconsistant. We aren't seeing a ton of match scores of 3-2. We are seeing teams losing 3-0 over and over again. I may be wrong but I think they are not as superior to everyone as some want us to think. Of course the week in and week out beating of each other helps. The only team I don't want to see is Washington at Washington.
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Post by Keystonekid on Nov 20, 2006 8:07:15 GMT -5
Yes. Will they? I don't know. I think the title is up for grabs between about 5-6 teams. Wash, Stanford, Nebraska, UCLA, PSU, outside shots USC, Florida.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2006 9:40:52 GMT -5
USC cannot win the title. UCLA will not.
Pac10 remains over-rated. Sorry, but it is. It appears it is the strongest conference this year (not always the case), but they are far from unbeatable.
This fawning has to stop. What's the word I'm looking for?
BASTA!
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Post by mario on Nov 20, 2006 10:01:44 GMT -5
Ruffda for President. That is the most intelligent thing I have read on this board in a very long time.
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Post by beachman on Nov 20, 2006 10:05:54 GMT -5
I would bet dimes to hundred dollar bills that if Nebraska or Penn State were in the PAC-10 they would have more losses than what they currently have.....I guess the ultimate question here will be answered by the upcoming playoffs.....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2006 10:55:38 GMT -5
I would bet dimes to hundred dollar bills that if Nebraska or Penn State were in the PAC-10 they would have more losses than what they currently have.....I guess the ultimate question here will be answered by the upcoming playoffs..... This may be true -- probably is true. But I'd be willing to bet that all the Pac10 teams would also have one additional loss if either team was in the Pac10. Again, the point has to do with competitiveness. People think the Pac10 will dominate. I don't see it happening. It never does, does it?
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Post by Keystonekid on Nov 20, 2006 11:04:27 GMT -5
The PAC 10 is the best conference, and they have produced several of the last champs. It does not mean by any stretch, their entire league, runs all over the rest of the country. Nebraska and PSU would have losses in the Pac 10, and Wash and Stanford would have losses in the Big 10 and 12.
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Post by bigfan on Nov 20, 2006 12:42:50 GMT -5
NO
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Post by bigfan on Nov 20, 2006 12:43:37 GMT -5
USC cannot win the title. UCLA will not. Pac10 remains over-rated. Sorry, but it is. It appears it is the strongest conference this year (not always the case), but they are far from unbeatable. This fawning has to stop. What's the word I'm looking for? BASTA! BASTA TO YOU....five years and counting......................BASTA!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2006 12:49:05 GMT -5
5 years and counting -- but irrelevant to the point being made.
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Post by hammer on Nov 20, 2006 15:36:44 GMT -5
It doesn't appear that the Pac-10 has any "super-teams" this year like the previous 4 years with USC, USC, Washington, and Washington in years 2002 thru 2005. (Yes, Stanford won 2004 tournament, but only because of Washington injuries.) In recent years this seems to be best overall indicator of who will win the tournament.
The best indication of how teams will fare in the NCAA tournament is based upon head to head meetings between elite teams. The closer to the tournament that these meetings take place, the more accurate this indicator is. Player development is the reason that late head-to-head meetings are more relevant. Teams working in young talented players can make big strides between Sept. and Dec.
What we are getting lately from the Pac-10 are mixed signals about which of their power teams is the best. That is, no one team is dominant like any of the previous four years. So if it walks like a duck, maybe it is a duck. This bodes well for Nebraska because they will likely get #1 seed and avoid playing any of the elite Pac-10 teams until the FF, and the kicker is that FF is very close to their campus.
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Post by huskervbfan on Nov 20, 2006 15:56:20 GMT -5
Ruffda for President. That is the most intelligent thing I have read on this board in a very long time. You could very well be right but it sure doesn't say much for the level of intelligent things said on this board.
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