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Post by cbrown1709 on Jan 29, 2007 15:45:48 GMT -5
Ruffda, thanks for the pic, I drive by that a couple of times a week.
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Post by ESTRELLA on Jan 29, 2007 16:02:13 GMT -5
Well said romeo! People, whether they are employees of a business working for wages or athletes trading their services for an education, deserve to be treated with respect and valued for their contribution to the organization. If they feel they aren't receiving that at one place they speak with their feet and find someplace that does provide that. Too often posters on this board blame transfers on the "spoiled athletes". Loyalty is a two-way street and I would expect both sides of the athlete vs. coach/school equation are responsible for the end result. Elvis, so the player transfers because he or she are not a "spoiled athlete". So what is it? Since I can remember these so called players are really Student-Athletes.....not Athlete-Students. When they are recruited by a coach. disregarding what the coach tells them they are signing up to that school to represent the school colors in exchange of getting an education. Nothing on the NLI states anything about playing time. In the case of the UK kids several of them are leaving despite playing time. Could it be that they don't like trhe school, the coach, the teamates, the town, the AD, the doorms? ? Who knows. The bottom line is that they made an agreement with that school and the school is banking on that agreement. The decision to leave may have an impact on others. Maybe there are kids that went to the school because of them. The bottom line like it or not the Student Athelete made an agreemet with the school and it is so easy to walk away from in these days that the word comittment is not a word that could even be mentioned anymore. On the same token I feel very strongly that the NLI should NOT be on a year to year basis. The school should honor it's comittment to the Student-Athlete for the tenure that she is a Student-Athelete of the school. Now if the school does not honor it's comittment the kid should be allowed to go. ESTRELLA
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2007 16:11:12 GMT -5
Ruffda transfers between PrepVB and VolleyTalk all the time. The nerve of the guy... I don't post at PrepVB, however. Not since the lawsuit.
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Post by learning on Jan 29, 2007 16:24:38 GMT -5
IARFLOL
Honestly, thank you so much for all you guys do for volleyball. I love this so much.
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Post by D. B. Cooper on Jan 29, 2007 17:33:57 GMT -5
Well said romeo! People, whether they are employees of a business working for wages or athletes trading their services for an education, deserve to be treated with respect and valued for their contribution to the organization. If they feel they aren't receiving that at one place they speak with their feet and find someplace that does provide that. Too often posters on this board blame transfers on the "spoiled athletes". Loyalty is a two-way street and I would expect both sides of the athlete vs. coach/school equation are responsible for the end result. Elvis, so the player transfers because he or she are not a "spoiled athlete". So what is it? Since I can remember these so called players are really Student-Athletes.....not Athlete-Students. When they are recruited by a coach. disregarding what the coach tells them they are signing up to that school to represent the school colors in exchange of getting an education. Nothing on the NLI states anything about playing time. In the case of the UK kids several of them are leaving despite playing time. Could it be that they don't like trhe school, the coach, the teamates, the town, the AD, the doorms? ? Who knows. The bottom line is that they made an agreement with that school and the school is banking on that agreement. The decision to leave may have an impact on others. Maybe there are kids that went to the school because of them. The bottom line like it or not the Student Athelete made an agreemet with the school and it is so easy to walk away from in these days that the word comittment is not a word that could even be mentioned anymore. On the same token I feel very strongly that the NLI should NOT be on a year to year basis. The school should honor it's comittment to the Student-Athlete for the tenure that she is a Student-Athelete of the school. Now if the school does not honor it's comittment the kid should be allowed to go. ESTRELLA If you're going to preach comittment, make sure you apply the same standard to everyone. I hope you come out just as strong about coaches honoring their contracts and not taking jobs at other schools for a better work enviroment. The bottom line, like it or not, is that neither you nor I get to sit in judgment of anyone. As long as they follow the rules, it's not for us to question their motives or their character.
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Post by KenKaniff on Jan 29, 2007 18:06:20 GMT -5
...and maybe they are transferring for *gasp* academic reasons. Ever consider that?
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Post by Wolfgang on Jan 29, 2007 18:24:46 GMT -5
What? From a communications department at one school to a communications department at another school?
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Post by huskervbfan on Jan 29, 2007 20:33:57 GMT -5
IARFLOL Honestly, thank you so much for all you guys do for volleyball. I love this so much. If you are learning from this group, you are probably learning the wrong stuff.
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Post by doc on Jan 29, 2007 21:02:43 GMT -5
It is amazing to me when a player transfers because of the lack of playing time, but this really blows me away. There can be many factors but past history does not give any indication that the coaching staff at UK is an Ohio State type of staff. If you know what I mean. It could be that do to the environment that our kids are brought today has made them soft regarding how to deal with a situation and prefer to walk away. I just can't remember when was the last day a player of any sport picked a school because of what they could provide academically as the main reason and they stuck it out disregarding the circumstances. ESTRELLA This is today's kids. It's happening in every sport. "If I'm not the center of attention, I'm leaving for greener pasture." It's almost as if the athletes today can't handle a little competition on the court. What ever happened to beating someone out for a position? The same thing is happening with some of the "blue chip" football recruits that Nebraska has landed. Kids are doing the same thing in HS at least in Omaha/Lincoln as our state association rules for transferring are LAME. what about the parents who keep telling their kid how great he or she is and that the coach is an idiot. I think each case is different where coaches and players are both at fault at times. But the parents might be the biggest problem of all in sports! God help me I'm a parent too.
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Post by abcd098 on Jan 29, 2007 21:15:05 GMT -5
In the case of the UK kids several of them are leaving despite playing time. Could it be that they don't like trhe school, the coach, the teamates, the town, the AD, the doorms? ? Who knows. The bottom line is that they made an agreement with that school and the school is banking on that agreement. The decision to leave may have an impact on others. Maybe there are kids that went to the school because of them. ESTRELLA So you have never quit a job in your life? It is hard to decide if a school is a good fit for you after a few recruiting visits; often you have to get your feet wet to see if you like the water.
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Post by mervynpumpkinhead on Jan 29, 2007 21:18:18 GMT -5
Some kids leave because the coach doesn't want them. Don't forget that. I think UK is a mix of the two.
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Post by GatorVball on Jan 29, 2007 23:24:47 GMT -5
Some kids leave because the coach doesn't want them. Don't forget that. I think UK is a mix of the two. Then why recruit them? 3 of the 4 we know are leaving were recruited by him. Makes no sense to recruit someone and then a year or 2 later decide you don't want them.
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Post by deerpark12 on Jan 29, 2007 23:56:28 GMT -5
Or the player doesn't like the coach. The person that the player meets on the recruiting visit often has a very different personality than what exists when they show up on the first day. Coaches are extremely two-faced in the recruiting process.
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Post by cbrown1709 on Jan 30, 2007 0:29:35 GMT -5
I wouldn't say 2 faced. But everyone knows how different people are on the court and off the court. That is why the recruit should watch the coach run a practice and at a match.
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Post by ESTRELLA on Jan 30, 2007 9:45:11 GMT -5
In the case of the UK kids several of them are leaving despite playing time. Could it be that they don't like trhe school, the coach, the teammates, the town, the AD, the dorms? ? Who knows. The bottom line is that they made an agreement with that school and the school is banking on that agreement. The decision to leave may have an impact on others. Maybe there are kids that went to the school because of them. ESTRELLA So you have never quit a job in your life? It is hard to decide if a school is a good fit for you after a few recruiting visits; often you have to get your feet wet to see if you like the water. Yappa, in all the years I have been working I have never quit a job. And we are talking over 30 years. That I have been released...yes. Sorry but I disagree with you! Getting the feet wet is beyond my limits. Look at the background of todays volleyball. Many of these kids come from club ball and that level of play allows kids to quit if the "don't like it". There are many that even don't finish the season and demand to be released because they don't like the coach, don't play or the teams does not do well. Sorry but our society today fosters lack of commitment and takes away the ability of our youth to confront and resolve a problem. Same goes with our dear coaches. Many of them do the same thing. ESTRELLA ESTRELLA
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