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Post by Wolfgang on Apr 12, 2007 12:49:28 GMT -5
I'm looking for the word "volleyball" in this thread, beyond the first post. Anyone?
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Post by bigfan on Apr 12, 2007 13:11:57 GMT -5
Be careful "bigfan". The Don Imus School for Tactless, Needless and Stupid Commentary hasn't started it's enrollment process quite yet. Say what?
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Post by bigfan on Apr 12, 2007 13:13:14 GMT -5
I'm looking for the word "volleyball" in this thread, beyond the first post. Anyone? Nit picker!
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Post by Wolfgang on Apr 12, 2007 14:17:44 GMT -5
I'm looking for the word "volleyball" in this thread, beyond the first post. Anyone? Nit picker! I'm not complaining. I'm just looking for the word "volleyball" in this thread. Thought someone could help me out.
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Post by mrhand on Apr 12, 2007 14:44:53 GMT -5
Yes, I agree that the Lacrosse coach was treated unfairly by Duke. Furthermore, I think the President and faculty grossly mismanaged the incident. The honorable thing for President Brodhead would be to resign and allow someone to lead the University whose first priority is students rather than institutional image. Although I would not have commented on the Rutgers - TN game quite the same way as Imus, I must say that I was struck by the overall gracefullness and beauty of the TN team, particularly Candice Parker, which contrasted sharply with the rather ruffian - looking Rutgers squad. I don't think the coach was treated unfairly. If you ask people in the sport, Duke has a reputation for recruiting meatheads. He helped create the atmosphere.
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Post by AntennaMagnet on Apr 12, 2007 15:23:16 GMT -5
Wolfgang, I think many of the issues raised by the Duke incident are of general interest to volleyball... e.g., town / gown relationship, duty of coach to regulate student behavior, methods of discipline, institutional reputation versus student freedom and integrity, administrative and faculty rush to judgement......
I included the Duke volleyball disciplinary action several years back as an example of how this University has really fumbled over the years when it comes to student advocacy and wonder if these common issues have touched other programs, especially when student - athletes go off the beaten path, which is to be expected every now and then.
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Post by Gorf on Apr 12, 2007 17:12:07 GMT -5
Yes, I agree that the Lacrosse coach was treated unfairly by Duke. Furthermore, I think the President and faculty grossly mismanaged the incident. The honorable thing for President Brodhead would be to resign and allow someone to lead the University whose first priority is students rather than institutional image. Although I would not have commented on the Rutgers - TN game quite the same way as Imus, I must say that I was struck by the overall gracefullness and beauty of the TN team, particularly Candice Parker, which contrasted sharply with the rather ruffian - looking Rutgers squad. The Duke LaCrosse coach had been warned in 2005 about the behavior of his players. Here are some snippets below regarding comments made by school officials after the rape case started appearing in the news: School officials said Monday that the lacrosse coach was warned last year that his players had too many violations of the campus judicial code and he needed to "get them in line."
Duke athletic director Joe Alleva said the university's executive vice president reviewed the lacrosse team's disciplinary record last year, then discussed his findings with Alleva.
"He said there were too many incidents, but there's not enough incidents to make a drastic change in the program at this point in time," Alleva told The Herald-Sun of Durham. Alleva told the coach "his team was under the microscope, and he had to do everything he could to get them in line and to not have any more behavior problems."
The review by Tallman Trask III, Duke's executive vice president, was spurred by reports of "boorish behavior" by the lacrosse team, Alleva said.I find litle reason to suggest the former head coach was mistreated given the above comments from Duke officials.
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Post by shag on Apr 12, 2007 17:12:54 GMT -5
While some may be superficially "struck by the overall gracefullnes and beauty of the TN team" and not the "ruffian-looking Rutgers squad", I personally was struck by the class and grace of Coach Stringer's response to Imus' hurtful words. I also add Coach Summit's eloquent response "The inappropriate comments directed toward the student-athletes of Rutgers University were very disappointing," said Summitt. "Their head coach, C. Vivian Stringer, and I have been friends for a number of years, and I have tremendous respect for her and the great young women in her program. These student-athletes deserve a lot of credit for what they have accomplished, and it saddens me that they were treated with such disrespect.
"Never should there be a time when student-athletes are in a position to receive this kind of verbal abuse. I applaud Rutgers University, Coach Stringer and the Scarlet Knight student-athletes and the exemplary way they conducted themselves in their national press conference today. The University of Tennessee women's basketball program commends Rutgers' handling of this situation. It is emblematic of the outstanding caliber of student-athletes and coaches in women's collegiate basketball."
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Post by bunnywailer on Apr 12, 2007 17:54:58 GMT -5
"Never should there be a time when student-athletes are in a position to receive this kind of verbal abuse. I applaud Rutgers University, Coach Stringer and the Scarlet Knight student-athletes and the exemplary way they conducted themselves in their national press conference today. The University of Tennessee women's basketball program commends Rutgers' handling of this situation. It is emblematic of the outstanding caliber of student-athletes and coaches in women's collegiate basketball." While I agree in principle with this, I must say this. If Imus had just bought a ticket and yelled the same thing he said on the radio at these student-athletes from somewhere in the stands (preferably in the vicinity of the local heckling section), then nobody would have batted an eyelid. It was the fact that he said it on a nationally syndicated radio program that caused all the hubbubaloo. What does that say about society in general and sports in general if doofuses are allowed to heckle and say whatever the hell they want at student-athletes from the stands during a game, yet same doofus would get pummelled for saying the exact same thing in a different environment?
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Post by el fagel on Apr 12, 2007 19:12:17 GMT -5
I'm looking for the word "volleyball" in this thread, beyond the first post. Anyone? Wolfgang: You apparently didn't read the moderator's note that he was going to allow this discussion even though it was off topic. But your question implies criticism--as though this topic is somehow a waste of time and space. YOU of all people should complain. I've read dozens of comments from you that are appropos of very little let alone volleyball.
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Post by Tiruray2004 on Apr 12, 2007 19:25:17 GMT -5
Still didn't stop Candace Parker from seeing Shelden Williams!
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Post by woody on Apr 12, 2007 20:30:56 GMT -5
Here's yet another angle.
I wish a reporter had asked the Rutgers players for copies of their IPODs. Wouldn't it be interesting to hear the lyrics of the songs they regularly listen to? The NY Times recently gave glowing reviews to a rapper's new album which used all the Imus words along with the Michael Richard's words, and all directed toward women.
Its the selective outrage that gets me. Who created the Imus words and at what point did they enter our vocabulary?
Did Imus err in using ebonics, or did he err in using ebonics against an innocent team?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2007 20:53:29 GMT -5
I don't follow your logic. What difference does it make what _might_ be on their iPods?
Answer this: Do you think _anyone_ could have gotten away with calling those girls "nappy-headed hos"? I'd like to think the answer is no.
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Post by woody on Apr 12, 2007 21:48:32 GMT -5
Absolutely! It happens every day. What do you think those award winning rappers are saying?
Let's not confuse they way things ought to be with the way they are.
Imus directed his statements against innocent people. Bad Imus, bad. But people are getting rich creating and using those same words. Good people, good?
Here's the word volleyball.
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Post by Chance on Apr 12, 2007 22:08:49 GMT -5
Sharpton and Jackson have made some terribly stupid comments on both of these issues (Duke and Imus).
The problem is they don't want to "end" racism, they want to "win" racism. They arn't interested in equality, just in cutting black people the biggest piece of the pie possible.
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