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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2007 21:51:13 GMT -5
I try not to watch Cable News. You end up watching crap about Anna Nicole Smith or the whole Imus flap. The Right Wing is not necessarily racist. The Right Wing Machine is. Hell, its central tenet is all about maintaining the status quo, culturally, economically, politically -- White Power, if you will. It's a mighty small tent they have pitched. Not much room for anyone not like them. And that's racist. Anyhow, yes, I'm getting carried away here. You'll need to cut me some slack on that. It happens every now and then.
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Post by donneyp on Apr 17, 2007 14:01:04 GMT -5
The key word in your defense of their actions is "some". There are a lot of campuses with some wild frat parties. The majority of students do not belong to fraternities or sororities. Do you honestly think the majority of college students are prone to regularly going on wild drinking binges? Why excuse and apologize for the minority that do such things by saying that other kids on many campuses do the same things? Wow! Pessquenebeg, I'm jealous. What color is the sky in your world? Do they have traffic? Do you still have to peel a banana? A 2007 CBS news article cites the CDC as saying that 67% of teenage boys and 61% of teenage girls binge drink, and 69% do so at least once a month. I went to a major university 7 years ago, and they had flyers everywhere proclaiming something like "74% of (blank) University students consume fewer than five drinks per week" which was great until you stop to consider that only 20% of the student body is of legal drinking age. Recently I was at another major university, and they had a flyer up saying "88% of (Blank school) students have not participated in violence while under the influence of alcohol" which is amazing, because basically they are saying, 12% of the school is known to have been in drunken fights!!! Harvard University study a few years back showed that 18-20 year olds in college binge drink more than those who are not in college. In 2004 the National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse reported that, “More than five million high schoolers binge drink at least once a month.” and you think that when they get to college, away from their parents, they just STOP!?!?! Or are you suggesting that they are binge drinking while watching Hamlet and discussing global warming? College students have parties and go to bars to play games like beruit, and flip cup, and they tailgate and smuggle beer cans into the football game on ESPN. The fat guy with the painted chest? You didn't think he was drinking V8 when he came up with that idea, did you? I'd go on but I'd hate for parents to think they can't send their kids to college because they might drink. A lot of them are good, they will appoint a friend to stay sober to make sure they don't do anything too stupid (like drive or go home with the wrong person). In fact, teammates are great for things like this because usually a couple won't want to drink. They will hold your feet for the keg stand and then hold your head a little later on. This is where you can pay their debt to your setter! (see, I made it volleyball related).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2007 15:01:21 GMT -5
Besides the fact only an idiot binge drinks and it's not something society should promote, what the heck does that have to do with hiring strippers? Is that just part of the same "normal" behavior? Something we should also turn a blind eye to?
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Post by Gorf on Apr 17, 2007 15:40:48 GMT -5
The key word in your defense of their actions is "some". There are a lot of campuses with some wild frat parties. The majority of students do not belong to fraternities or sororities. Do you honestly think the majority of college students are prone to regularly going on wild drinking binges? Why excuse and apologize for the minority that do such things by saying that other kids on many campuses do the same things? Wow! Pessquenebeg, I'm jealous. What color is the sky in your world? Do they have traffic? Do you still have to peel a banana? A 2007 CBS news article cites the CDC as saying that 67% of teenage boys and 61% of teenage girls binge drink, and 69% do so at least once a month. That's interesting since other reports (including a 2007 USA Today poll)show college student binge drinking at 22.1%. Perhaps the difference lies in CBS reporting just on teens in general and the other poll(s) are reporting spefically on college students. Or CBS could have used poltical style "push polling" to get their results.
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Post by Chance on Apr 18, 2007 12:37:22 GMT -5
Wow! Pessquenebeg, I'm jealous. What color is the sky in your world? Do they have traffic? Do you still have to peel a banana? A 2007 CBS news article cites the CDC as saying that 67% of teenage boys and 61% of teenage girls binge drink, and 69% do so at least once a month. I went to a major university 7 years ago, and they had flyers everywhere proclaiming something like "74% of (blank) University students consume fewer than five drinks per week" which was great until you stop to consider that only 20% of the student body is of legal drinking age. Recently I was at another major university, and they had a flyer up saying "88% of (Blank school) students have not participated in violence while under the influence of alcohol" which is amazing, because basically they are saying, 12% of the school is known to have been in drunken fights!!! Harvard University study a few years back showed that 18-20 year olds in college binge drink more than those who are not in college. In 2004 the National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse reported that, “More than five million high schoolers binge drink at least once a month.” and you think that when they get to college, away from their parents, they just STOP!?!?! Or are you suggesting that they are binge drinking while watching Hamlet and discussing global warming? College students have parties and go to bars to play games like beruit, and flip cup, and they tailgate and smuggle beer cans into the football game on ESPN. The fat guy with the painted chest? You didn't think he was drinking V8 when he came up with that idea, did you? I'd go on but I'd hate for parents to think they can't send their kids to college because they might drink. A lot of them are good, they will appoint a friend to stay sober to make sure they don't do anything too stupid (like drive or go home with the wrong person). In fact, teammates are great for things like this because usually a couple won't want to drink. They will hold your feet for the keg stand and then hold your head a little later on. This is where you can pay their debt to your setter! (see, I made it volleyball related). / sign. Also Ruffda, you still havn't explained exactly what's so wrong about hiring a stripper, just that "it is."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2007 13:58:55 GMT -5
What's wrong? There are few things in life more sexist. I suppose prostitution trumps it, but just barely. When you have a society that says it's all right for men to watch and alright for women to earn a living doing it, you have a society that really doesn't think much about women.
The Duke "situation" is about as perfect an example as one could have...
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Post by AntennaMagnet on Apr 18, 2007 14:09:27 GMT -5
Here's a rhetorical question: what is the difference between a strip dance and nudism ?
A former professor of mine was once arrested for photographing a nude volleyball game at a private beach on Cape Cod. I don't know the charges, but the game sounded pretty cool.
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Post by Gorf on Apr 18, 2007 15:31:33 GMT -5
Was the beach where your professor was taking pictures perhaps a private beach with rules against such things are taking pictures of others on the beach?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2007 15:42:09 GMT -5
Is that a rhetorical question posing as a rhetorical answer to his rhetorical question?
I ask this rhetorically.
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Post by Gorf on Apr 18, 2007 15:46:23 GMT -5
Not as far as you know.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Apr 18, 2007 16:59:23 GMT -5
Here's a rhetorical question: what is the difference between a strip dance and nudism ? Better quality nude and more interaction with a strip dance.
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Post by Chance on Apr 18, 2007 21:45:09 GMT -5
What's wrong? There are few things in life more sexist. I suppose prostitution trumps it, but just barely. When you have a society that says it's all right for men to watch and alright for women to earn a living doing it, you have a society that really doesn't think much about women. The Duke "situation" is about as perfect an example as one could have... so who is the victim?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2007 6:41:56 GMT -5
Everyone involved, but women -- and I mean all women -- are harmed the most.
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Post by AntennaMagnet on Apr 19, 2007 9:26:41 GMT -5
I heard a great analogy about "gradations" of morality whereby life can be viewed as a swimming pool with a shallow and a deep end. Perhaps the stripper issue is at the deep end of the pool whereas nudism is somewhere in between. One problem with strip-tease is the purile focus on sexuality rather than the beauty of dance. In a similar fashion, the story about the Italian photographers who were banned from filming Italian women's volleyball was due to their obsession with "bum" shots rather than a more general appreciation of the grace and fluidity that physical appearances bring to the sport.
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Post by UCSBVball on Apr 19, 2007 9:50:07 GMT -5
Stupid is not a crime – it happens all the time to all of us – stupid can not be fixed. Underage drinking is a crime – it can be fixed - lower the drinking age, then it is not a crime. The words crime, legal, illegal, and stupid are often mixed together, which is rather stupid. I DO NOT approve of lowering the drinking age, nor do I approve of making stupid a crime.
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