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Post by beachman on May 4, 2007 18:07:43 GMT -5
Just curious.....but does anyone know if these players who have been "invited" for their second try-out have to pay a 'FEE' to do so??
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Post by BoilerUp! on May 4, 2007 18:23:49 GMT -5
itarusvolei you are so negative!
I'm very excited to see names like Carrie Gurnell and Kelly Murphy on the list.
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Post by ladeda on May 4, 2007 18:31:35 GMT -5
Just curious.....but does anyone know if these players who have been "invited" for their second try-out have to pay a 'FEE' to do so?? "USA Volleyball will pay for your travel to/from Austin for the second round of tryouts, as well as lodging, meals, and training expenses while in Austin'' www.usavolleyball.org/HighPerformance/07JNTTryout2.asp
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Post by silversurfer on May 4, 2007 18:45:37 GMT -5
Still waiting for itarusvolei to explain to us who should be on the JNT. Lots of opinions, now back them up.
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Post by doc on May 4, 2007 23:59:01 GMT -5
Jen Doris and Lauren Williams were the MB's on the Youth team that went to Macau 2 years ago...so at least they have experience. I don't see Dosty playing over Faucette and Klineman. Maybe a 6-2 with Engle and Murphy...Italy killed USA in the bronze medal match over Holloway's block once they figured it out. I thought the USA won the gold with Holloway setting and Skinner coaching?
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Post by Gelatinous Mass on May 5, 2007 8:33:26 GMT -5
Maybe USA won the NORECA Gold, but USA always wins that. The Youth Team played in Macau at the World Championships in July of 05 and lost to Italy in the bronze medal match. That's what I was talking about.
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Post by itarusvolei on May 5, 2007 11:59:53 GMT -5
Not negative but I understand that this is not the way to set up USNT for the future. For many years years my country's national team and the professional teams I have coached we used Youth or Junior team to give chance for young players with needed ability to compete at top levels. Or we use young players to fill teams on our second and third divison teams to PREPARE them for first division or Senior national team competition.
For example: Kelly Murphy is the ONLY setter in US that can set at the international level and help USA win a medal, there are no others; she should be with Senior team. This can also be said about Faucette, Kilneman, Hodge, they should be training with senior players and travelling to Montreaux and Grand Prix, or Grand Champions not to Mexicali Cup. If this is the future then they should be with senior team. Cuba, Russia, Brazil, China all have best young players in their first division professional or Senior national teams. This is the needed preparation for furture, not US Nationals, or Open Natiional, or Junior or Youth World Championships. But TP and DB care so much about winning these meaningless tournaments that they send their best young players to beat second level or younger Youth or Junior teams.
The top professional teams all have 2-3 young players on first team to help maintain for their clubs future.
Junior National team should be for young players with less international experience but have right physical make-up like Lichtman as libero or Dosty as outside.
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Post by brybry on May 5, 2007 14:43:57 GMT -5
Not negative but I understand that this is not the way to set up USNT for the future. For many years years my country's national team and the professional teams I have coached we used Youth or Junior team to give chance for young players with needed ability to compete at top levels. Or we use young players to fill teams on our second and third divison teams to PREPARE them for first division or Senior national team competition. For example: Kelly Murphy is the ONLY setter in US that can set at the international level and help USA win a medal, there are no others; she should be with Senior team. This can also be said about Faucette, Kilneman, Hodge, they should be training with senior players and travelling to Montreaux and Grand Prix, or Grand Champions not to Mexicali Cup. If this is the future then they should be with senior team. Cuba, Russia, Brazil, China all have best young players in their first division professional or Senior national teams. This is the needed preparation for furture, not US Nationals, or Open Natiional, or Junior or Youth World Championships. But TP and DB care so much about winning these meaningless tournaments that they send their best young players to beat second level or younger Youth or Junior teams. The top professional teams all have 2-3 young players on first team to help maintain for their clubs future. Junior National team should be for young players with less international experience but have right physical make-up like Lichtman as libero or Dosty as outside. I wonder why Klineman hasn't been playing with the senior National Team as Tom and Barboza had at their age. Is it up to the player (when we're talking about a player of this caliber)?
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Post by silversurfer on May 5, 2007 15:27:22 GMT -5
Not negative but I understand that this is not the way to set up USNT for the future. For many years years my country's national team and the professional teams I have coached we used Youth or Junior team to give chance for young players with needed ability to compete at top levels. Or we use young players to fill teams on our second and third divison teams to PREPARE them for first division or Senior national team competition. For example: Kelly Murphy is the ONLY setter in US that can set at the international level and help USA win a medal, there are no others; she should be with Senior team. This can also be said about Faucette, Kilneman, Hodge, they should be training with senior players and travelling to Montreaux and Grand Prix, or Grand Champions not to Mexicali Cup. If this is the future then they should be with senior team. Cuba, Russia, Brazil, China all have best young players in their first division professional or Senior national teams. This is the needed preparation for furture, not US Nationals, or Open Natiional, or Junior or Youth World Championships. But TP and DB care so much about winning these meaningless tournaments that they send their best young players to beat second level or younger Youth or Junior teams. The top professional teams all have 2-3 young players on first team to help maintain for their clubs future. Junior National team should be for young players with less international experience but have right physical make-up like Lichtman as libero or Dosty as outside. I think you assume too much about the inner working of USAV. Who's to say that they haven't asked Klineman, Hodge, etc., to train with the National Team? They probably don't want to leave school to do so. And they're not going to give up their collegiate season either.
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Post by Tiruray2004 on May 5, 2007 16:06:15 GMT -5
Not negative but I understand that this is not the way to set up USNT for the future. For many years years my country's national team and the professional teams I have coached we used Youth or Junior team to give chance for young players with needed ability to compete at top levels. Or we use young players to fill teams on our second and third divison teams to PREPARE them for first division or Senior national team competition. For example: Kelly Murphy is the ONLY setter in US that can set at the international level and help USA win a medal, there are no others; she should be with Senior team. This can also be said about Faucette, Kilneman, Hodge, they should be training with senior players and travelling to Montreaux and Grand Prix, or Grand Champions not to Mexicali Cup. If this is the future then they should be with senior team. Cuba, Russia, Brazil, China all have best young players in their first division professional or Senior national teams. This is the needed preparation for furture, not US Nationals, or Open Natiional, or Junior or Youth World Championships. But TP and DB care so much about winning these meaningless tournaments that they send their best young players to beat second level or younger Youth or Junior teams. The top professional teams all have 2-3 young players on first team to help maintain for their clubs future. Junior National team should be for young players with less international experience but have right physical make-up like Lichtman as libero or Dosty as outside. These young kids from the US have lives other than play volleyball all the time. They want to get a college education first and foremost.
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Post by tupperware on May 6, 2007 1:03:15 GMT -5
itarusvolei knows what he's talking about.
Okay, so English clearly isn't his first language. But he's right that the U.S. has been too focused on having junior players compete and win in age-specific championships that are essentially meaningless. This includes the entire Junior Olympic apparatus as well the junior national teams. He's also right in identifying the limited handful of players that have the potential for helping down the line in the Olympics and saying these players should be training at the senior international level, not racking up kills against inferior competition.
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Post by Tiruray2004 on May 6, 2007 1:27:00 GMT -5
itarusvolei knows what he's talking about. Okay, so English clearly isn't his first language. But he's right that the U.S. has been too focused on having junior players compete and win in age-specific championships that are essentially meaningless. This includes the entire Junior Olympic apparatus as well the junior national teams. He's also right in identifying the limited handful of players that have the potential for helping down the line in the Olympics and saying these players should be training at the senior international level, not racking up kills against inferior competition. We understand your concerns but like I said these kids want to go to college and enjoy being a student. Otherwise, they would be selling tupperware. If they really want to go directly to the National Team or play pro overseas, so be it. They could do so voluntarily but USA Volleybal cannot and does not force players to train with the team.
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Post by SakiBomb25 on May 6, 2007 1:58:24 GMT -5
I think one of the reasons why the top junior players will never go train directly with the Senior National Team is because of the NCAAs. Collegiate competition represents playing days beyond high school and the combination of being a student plus collegiate volleyball is too enticing to pass up, especially since you never know if you will be good enough to make an impact on the international level.
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Post by abcd098 on May 6, 2007 7:56:10 GMT -5
Who is Kelly Murphy? Has she committed to a college yet?
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Post by Reach on May 6, 2007 9:51:05 GMT -5
Who is Kelly Murphy? Has she committed to a college yet? Kelly Murphy is a 6'2 Rightside/Setter that plays for SPRI. She might also be the No 1 recruit next year, but that is still up for debate.
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