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Post by Keystonekid on May 6, 2007 13:02:36 GMT -5
Ty, who is debating that Murphy isn't the top recruit?
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Post by SakiBomb25 on May 6, 2007 13:28:47 GMT -5
How about Tarah Murrey? She plays all the way around, passes, plays defense, and hits like a ton of bricks. Amanda Gil might be a name to throw out as well, but not sure about the fact that she plays just in the front row might affect her.
It would seem that it might be between Murphy and Murrey, imho.
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Post by xyz on May 6, 2007 14:38:10 GMT -5
With Rachel Holloway's block causing the loss against Italy, you wonder why Stanford didn't hit over her to win the national championship this year, especially with the likes of Barboza on Stanford's team. Not to mention the other teams that Nebraska beat during the year with Rachel's weak block. What is wrong with so many "good" teams not being able to win hitting over Rachel's block? Do we have a big crop of poor outside hitters in the US? Are the good outside hitters all overseas like Italy?
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Post by Gelatinous Mass on May 6, 2007 16:13:54 GMT -5
Hey, maybe Holloway's block is better now than 2 years ago, who knows. But the USA was beating Italy and had already beaten them in pool play once. If you watch the match, Italy figured it out and just fed the outside and the hitter blasted away over the top of her block....whoever was on the line behind her got the crap knocked out of them....just missiles down the line.
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Post by brybry on May 6, 2007 17:11:49 GMT -5
I haven't seen this Bronze medal match, but Holloway never struck me as a liability as a rightside blocker. If Stanford could have hit over her, they would have. However, Barboza and Richards aren't the type of hitters that can hit down over a block.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2007 20:45:11 GMT -5
Who was Barboza matched up against? Who was Richards? Who had the big match?
Answer those questions and you have your answer.
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Post by Reach on May 6, 2007 20:48:25 GMT -5
Ty, who is debating that Murphy isn't the top recruit? Most people I talk to think that the top recruit will be between her and Tarah Murrey. I personally feel that Murphy takes the spot, but then again my opinion has little value.
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Post by baywatcher on May 6, 2007 21:34:20 GMT -5
Re Holloway blocking, I'm a novice at volleyball but even I know the first thing you try is hit over a setter at blocker. Can't believe the Italians suddenly "figured it out" if Holloway wasn't getting the block done. Barboza and Richards took plenty of shots at hitting over Thompson: some successful, some obviously not. But even when Washington cleaned Stanford's clock last year Barboza had 20+ kills, many over Thompson. Just not enough.
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Post by itarusvolei on May 6, 2007 22:57:50 GMT -5
American college volleyball does NOT prepare players for international level, international training and frequent international competition does. American college volleyball is similar to Youth or Junior WC's, meaningless for development and preparation of international competition. The focus on college volleyball is on winning not skills or systems. This why some programs are better for this type of preparation.
Long Beach prior to exodus and injury problems was best known for this type of preparation. Many players from this university integrate to international style more comfortably. Antoinette White (Italy Serie A) Tara Battle ( Brazil Superliga, Italy Serie A) , Danielle Scott (Brazil Superliga, Italy Serie A) Tayyiba Haneef Italy Serie A, Japan V-League, Russia Superleague, Elisha Thomas (Italy Serie A, Russia Superleague) Cheryl Weaver (NLA Swiss), Joy Mackenzie (Spanish Superliga) Misty May before she gravitated for beach career would have made easy transition to professional league. These are top professional leagues in Europe and South America, this is why they have had success with USA national team; because they compete against worlds top players.
These players make very good living because they had good all-around skills and played in international style system.
American college volleyball is similar to failed farm leagues of babseball. National team head coaches spend great deal of training teaching basic funamentals that were neglected by college coaches, this is not the case in other countries with success in Olympic competition. If many directions this is not even surface of competition for USA.
The best way to close widening gap is to bring young players to compete on senior team for experience.
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Post by Gelatinous Mass on May 7, 2007 0:00:42 GMT -5
Listen, I'm not trying to downgrade Holloway's blocking ability as much as I'm trying to make a point....as a matter of fact you actually validate my earlier point on the benefits of the JNT potentially running a 6-2 with Murphy and Engle...if the other teams "always" try to hit over a setter, doesn't it make sense that a 6'2" and a 6'3" setter would make that a tad more difficult?...or at least more challenging that hitting over the 5'9" setter?
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Post by Murina on May 7, 2007 0:46:09 GMT -5
American college volleyball does NOT prepare players for international level, international training and frequent international competition does. American college volleyball is similar to Youth or Junior WC's, meaningless for development and preparation of international competition. The focus on college volleyball is on winning not skills or systems. This why some programs are better for this type of preparation. Long Beach prior to exodus and injury problems was best known for this type of preparation. Many players from this university integrate to international style more comfortably. Antoinette White (Italy Serie A) Tara Battle ( Brazil Superliga, Italy Serie A) , Danielle Scott (Brazil Superliga, Italy Serie A) Tayyiba Haneef Italy Serie A, Japan V-League, Russia Superleague, Elisha Thomas (Italy Serie A, Russia Superleague) Cheryl Weaver (NLA Swiss), Joy Mackenzie (Spanish Superliga) Misty May before she gravitated for beach career would have made easy transition to professional league. These are top professional leagues in Europe and South America, this is why they have had success with USA national team; because they compete against worlds top players. These players make very good living because they had good all-around skills and played in international style system. American college volleyball is similar to failed farm leagues of babseball. National team head coaches spend great deal of training teaching basic funamentals that were neglected by college coaches, this is not the case in other countries with success in Olympic competition. If many directions this is not even surface of competition for USA. The best way to close widening gap is to bring young players to compete on senior team for experience. All true. The question is, how are you going to convince the kids to play for the senior national team? How are you going to convince their college coaches to allow them to? The USAV has certainly made some effort to that end. The Tracy Stalls experiment was a good idea, but I don't think it quite turned out like USAV hoped. Even if you do get 2 or 3 teenagers to play for USA's senior NT, That's really not enough for developing a team that can compete for gold medals. Especially when they're only training in the NT environment from, what May thru July...? That's only 3 months a year. You rip the American college system in this post (and I agree completely), and you have ripped some of the coaches in previous posts in this thread. I want to know this: If the national leagues in Russia, Italy, Brazil, etc... had rules that allowed 15 subs and the libero, do you think they would produce players similar to those produced in the USA? Of course they would - the best way to win under those rules is extreme specialization. The college coaches are doing what it takes to win the game that they are playing - it is just a different game (almost a different sport!) than the rest of the world is playing. Until the USA brings the rules in line with the FIVB (which is a LONG way from happening) or American families begin to value their kids athletic career over a college degree (even farther from happening!) I don't think it matters how many kids play with the senior NT for a couple of months a season...
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Post by Murina on May 7, 2007 0:53:46 GMT -5
itarusvolei,
Since you just got back from China I'm interested to learn. I'm mostly interested in women's volleyball...
I know the Chinese national league is a short season league. What do the teams do in the 8 months or so that they are not competing for the national championship? Especially the young players who may not be in the National Team program? Do they train year round anyway?
How deep is the Chinese National Team year round program? How many players are based in Ningbo most of the year? Are there other year round training centers to develop a deeper pool of young talent than they can handle in Ningbo alone?
I really know very little about the Chinese development program, I'd love to learn anything you can tell me.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2007 7:52:16 GMT -5
Wrong, wrong, wrong. It's not the rules. It's the amount of time spent practicing. These kids are IN SCHOOL and there are NCAA regulations on their practice time. You make it sound like the coaches are incompetent. They are doing what they can with the restrictions in place.
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Post by Gorf on May 7, 2007 8:09:51 GMT -5
I have a difficult time buying the rules differences a significant difference.
How close are the rulesets for US collegiate women's basketball / softball and the international rules?
Are the US women's national teams for those sports not still in the top tier for international competitions?
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Post by silversurfer on May 7, 2007 9:22:55 GMT -5
American college volleyball does NOT prepare players for international level, international training and frequent international competition does. American college volleyball is similar to Youth or Junior WC's, meaningless for development and preparation of international competition. The focus on college volleyball is on winning not skills or systems. This why some programs are better for this type of preparation. Long Beach prior to exodus and injury problems was best known for this type of preparation. Many players from this university integrate to international style more comfortably. Antoinette White (Italy Serie A) Tara Battle ( Brazil Superliga, Italy Serie A) , Danielle Scott (Brazil Superliga, Italy Serie A) Tayyiba Haneef Italy Serie A, Japan V-League, Russia Superleague, Elisha Thomas (Italy Serie A, Russia Superleague) Cheryl Weaver (NLA Swiss), Joy Mackenzie (Spanish Superliga) Misty May before she gravitated for beach career would have made easy transition to professional league. These are top professional leagues in Europe and South America, this is why they have had success with USA national team; because they compete against worlds top players. These players make very good living because they had good all-around skills and played in international style system. American college volleyball is similar to failed farm leagues of babseball. National team head coaches spend great deal of training teaching basic funamentals that were neglected by college coaches, this is not the case in other countries with success in Olympic competition. If many directions this is not even surface of competition for USA. The best way to close widening gap is to bring young players to compete on senior team for experience. Here's the deal: college coaches don't care that they're not preparing athletes for USA Volleyball. And why should they? It has nothing to do with what they're trying to accomplish. This idea that college volleyball should bend and change and conform just to serve USA Volleyball is absurd.
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