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Post by pineapple on Sept 8, 2007 7:13:32 GMT -5
If you are addressing that point to me, I don't know how she is, I've never seen her play. According to the papers, Haley didn't recruit her because of ethics or conflict of interest, something to that effect. I inferred also is that he didn't want her to compete against his team so he recommended her to Shoji, instead of a Pac10 team, away from harm's way. The post I was responding to cut her down to the extreme, which to me was almost like a personal attack.
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Post by 5100 on Sept 8, 2007 9:59:50 GMT -5
Has Ferrell taken a swing yet? Some fans are building her up as the answer to the outside hitter question mark, but she is still unproven and has missed a lot of time in practices due to recent personal/family issues. Maybe Shoji will slowly ease her into the offense during the WAC season and see what she has to offer.
And I thought she would have wanted to redshirt. She's already missed a lot matches and she's probably not going to play much, with Houston and Otineru ahead of her.
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Post by 5100 on Sept 8, 2007 10:01:19 GMT -5
Would like to see Keefe get some playing time on the left.
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Post by luke96792 on Sept 8, 2007 12:35:40 GMT -5
If Ferrel were stellar- she'd be playing for Haley @ USC; not Hawaii. She may become a very good player but obviously she's still too raw at this point in her career to contribute significantly. She'll get her swings in conference play. If it serves me right, I thought Haley says that he usually doesn't go after any of his club girls.......just because. I swear reading one of the articles it said that. Which would lead me to believe why she didn't head to USC! And too raw!?! How the HELL does EVERYONE know that!?! She hasn't even gotten a friggen SET yet and when she went in that ONE time.........nothing Happened to where she could prove herself!?! Again, how is she supposed to prove that she "BELONGS" if they don't give her any opportunities!?! As far as I'm concerned, everyone is talking out of their A*$ because she still hasn't been given the chance to shine!!! And in regards to her nationality, whether people want to believe it or not, African Americans in the Wahine Uniform has helped us continue to have the tradition and winning success. Maybe Ferrell will be that next person or not......but she can't show everyone if not given the chance.
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Post by Wolfgang on Sept 8, 2007 13:46:55 GMT -5
Well, she can't be missing so many Wahine practices if she wants to crack the lineup, that's for sure.
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Post by sideoutnow on Sept 8, 2007 14:11:42 GMT -5
Wolfgang's mention of race is bold because deep down I believe many of us are thinking "another African American, wow!" "She must be good, and to have two playing on the left in one season...ah, the potential." Based on UH's history of volleyball African American players, somehow Ferrell "under"playing just doesn't computate.
She does have the physicality. When technique and volleyball IQ set in, she will because of nature, have a HUGE impact. So I'm with the Ferrell group. Play her ASAP, especially during the WAC season. She may not be good enough to replace Aneli just yet, but let her begin the journey towards All American status. Yes, Ferrell! I must say though, Aneli was very impressive in last night's match.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Sept 8, 2007 16:28:10 GMT -5
Would like to see Keefe get some playing time on the left. Keefe actually looks a lot more comfortable on the RS. i would say that she's another Hittle-type hitter, in the sense that she's more effective if you use her just enough on the RS. from Keefe's swings on the left, she seems more tentative on those high-ball, off-play sets. might just be b/c of lack of game-play, but based on that, she doesn't seem to be as effective a left side outlet ... given the sheer number of sets that the LS sees.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Sept 8, 2007 16:30:57 GMT -5
Has Ferrell taken a swing yet? Some fans are building her up as the answer to the outside hitter question mark, but she is still unproven and has missed a lot of time in practices due to recent personal/family issues. Maybe Shoji will slowly ease her into the offense during the WAC season and see what she has to offer. And I thought she would have wanted to redshirt. She's already missed a lot matches and she's probably not going to play much, with Houston and Otineru ahead of her. i am definitely looking forward to seeing Ferrell, not just play, but get a set! and maybe i am building it up in my mind, but let a girl get a set won't ya?!?! haha ... seriously though, "Set Stephanie Ferrell!! Set Stephanie Ferrell!! Set Stephanie Ferrell!!" ;D ;D ;D
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Post by 5100 on Sept 8, 2007 18:12:38 GMT -5
I get your point, Cubicle. She could be an All-American in-the-making, but I don't know about the hype, because she hasn't gotten a set yet.
Also, Houston is a returning All-American, Otineru has a solid all-around play, and Shoji will never take Hittle out of the lineup because of her passing abilities and as he said, she is their best defender (better than Lee and Ka'aihue?).
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Post by 2 cents on Sept 8, 2007 20:19:41 GMT -5
If Ferrel were stellar- she'd be playing for Haley @ USC; not Hawaii. She may become a very good player but obviously she's still too raw at this point in her career to contribute significantly. She'll get her swings in conference play. If it serves me right, I thought Haley says that he usually doesn't go after any of his club girls.......just because. I swear reading one of the articles it said that. Which would lead me to believe why she didn't head to USC! And too raw!?! How the HELL does EVERYONE know that!?! She hasn't even gotten a friggen SET yet and when she went in that ONE time.........nothing Happened to where she could prove herself!?! Again, how is she supposed to prove that she "BELONGS" if they don't give her any opportunities!?! As far as I'm concerned, everyone is talking out of their A*$ because she still hasn't been given the chance to shine!!! And in regards to her nationality, whether people want to believe it or not, African Americans in the Wahine Uniform has helped us continue to have the tradition and winning success. Maybe Ferrell will be that next person or not......but she can't show everyone if not given the chance. Yeah- I've heard about Haley making that comment. I can't help but feel that it sounds a little disingenuous. If Klineman were playing club ball for him- he'd let her get away? Maybe. Personally, I don't think he would ever let it would happen. But that's just me. When you hear DS say something to the effect- Ferrell is really pushing Houston & Cubi-Otineru for a starting position, then I'll buy in that she's ready to play. Just like he commented that Simmons was challenging Sanders & Gregory prior to the start of the season.- (And Simmons has struggled.) DS likes to bring his players along slowly- and Ferrell's played volleyball for like 3 years now(?). She really might have benefitted the most if she would redshirt this year. She's playing behind 5 other outsides. Hawaii might've had 4 productive seasons out of her instead of 3. She might end up being the BEST player Hawaii has ever recruited. I just don't think she's ready for prime time if the COACHES don't think she's ready. She'll get her swings during conference play. Nothing to get upset about....
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Post by ladeda on Sept 8, 2007 20:29:25 GMT -5
I love the current mix of flavors on the Wahine roster.All we need now is a hot Brazilian chick.
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Post by cruncher on Sept 9, 2007 8:58:55 GMT -5
Maybe it's because many have seen her play at the club level. A lot. I have made comments to that effect based on personal observations of her play. Now admittedly, her play is club might be indicative of her current level, but I don't think she turned into Klineman overnight either.
She also seems to be a great kid, who has overcome some adversity to even be in a position to play college ball. I think she can be great, and wish her all the best.
Let's see, if I'm USC, I can recruit get kids who are insanely athletic, experienced (nationally and internationally), AND have plenty of upside. Do the math.
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Post by inomothanu on Sept 9, 2007 15:02:32 GMT -5
Pineapple says my opinion is not as scholarly, more racist, and in poor taste. PLEASE READ CAREFULLY...My point has NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE! Again, Ferrell is not a good L2 because she CANNOT do what the position demands: 1st ball contact efficiency, the ability to keep the ball in play when a kill is not there, and finally, she cannot block against quality slide hitters. How does that have anything to do with the color of her skin. Figure out how volleyball is played before you start to name call. My first statement referred to the fact that Wolfgang brought race into the equation, PERIOD.
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Post by luke96792 on Sept 9, 2007 15:46:45 GMT -5
Well, she can't be missing so many Wahine practices if she wants to crack the lineup, that's for sure. True but its not like she is intentionally trying to do it!!! Her GRANDFATHER DIED for crying out loud!!! Give her some sympathy!!! But she will prove she belongs but she needs to be GIVEN A CHANCE!!!! PERIOD!
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Sept 9, 2007 15:58:37 GMT -5
I'm going to say what people are probably thinking. I apologize in advance if this offends the finer sensibilities of the forum's members. If what I'm going to say is NOT what people are thinking, then...ooops! Here goes: Stephanie Ferrell is African-American. There aren't a lot of African-American volleyball players in the collegiate ranks. What litte African-American players there are, they've been (for the most part) stellar athletes with huge upsides. Yes, I'm sure there have been exceptions here and there, as always. But when we (I) think of African-American volleyball players, I think of Kim Willoughby, Kim Glass, Ogonna Nnamani (is she American or Nigerian or both?), Barbara Ifejika, Cheryl Weaver, Destinee Hooker, Alexis Crimes, Danielle Scott, Tara Cross, Teee Williams, Kee Williams, Deitre Collins, Demetria Sance, Tayyiba Haneef, Cynthia Barboza (part Ghananian (?), part White girl) and others. Sure, White girls are just as stellar, but the percentages are lower. For every Kerri Walsh, there are two dozen or more Sara Sandriks. For every team full of stellar White girls from Nebraska, there are teams like Columbia, New Hampshire, Buffalo, Vermont, and Navy full of subpar White girls. (someone check if these latter schools have White girls) Asian-American girls. Sure they can play, but because of their general height shortcomings, most play DS or libero, and you generally don't award super stellar status to DS's and L's. But this is neither here nor there because my post is not about Asian-American girls. But African-American girls, at this time, seem to have a significantly high percentage of collegiate success stories. It seems like, if the girl is African-American, she'll have a great NCAA career. It's almost as if African-American girls who continue with volleyball from the club level to the collegiate level do so because of their successes, and those who drop out weed themselves off the volleyball map. If the African-American girl is playing collegiate volleyball, she MUST be good, that's the general consensus. Not so with the White chicks. That's why we ignoramuses want to see Stephanie Ferrell on the court. Also, historically speaking, what African-American girl has NOT done well in a Wahine uniform? (except Jameka Stevens) Huh? (I make the above statements without data. Just gut observations and "feeling".) Okay, fire away. *ducking* well for one thing, you've only picked out examples of black athletes who suit your argument. and you speak in percentages without actual numbers to back it up (though it probably would take a considerable effort to collect those stats ... and lets face it, we all know you're not gonna do that ... ... but hey prove me wrong, wolfie!! haha). our wanting to see Ferrell play has nothing to do with with the color of her skin ... and more to do with her being a fresh face and talented recruit, and we all know that HI fans foam at the mouth everytime we get a recruit that appears to be "prized" in any way ... we build things up in our heads. i admit it, i'm guilty ... i'm looking forward to seeing her play.
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