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Post by ADIDAVB on Oct 18, 2007 17:05:02 GMT -5
I know its a great match up and all (programs wise any way), but does anyone else think it a little strange that Hawaii is flying all the way to Lincoln for one match in the middle of the season?  I just find that a little wierd, i could see a tourney or maybe even a couple matches, but just one? From what little I know, there are several reasons why Hawaii is flying to the flat cornfield country of Nebraska: 1. good competition during the not-so-competitive WAC season. Hawaii always tries to schedule tough competitors during the WAC season for self-improvement. 2. Coaching staff can incorporate recruiting scouting trips of players in the general Midwest/Central Plains area. 3. Most important: Nebraska is paying Hawaii $10,000. I read this somewhere. Struck me as reasonable. Who wouldn't fly halfway over the continent for some moola. Heck, I even flew to Israel for paying work. Great experience, btw. Still go from time to time. That is kinda what i figured, well large cash sum i mean, iwasn't going to say it was a pointless trip, but kinda questioning the money aspect, can't argue with the competition, not a better team to play, but the guarantee makes the trip that much more worth it |
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Post by Chance on Oct 18, 2007 17:27:21 GMT -5
if im not mistaken didn't they just have a players shot last year, didn't they have a player get in trouble for gun possession, they have had recruits get in trouble on visits, they have had a problem with players carrying guns so now they changed their policy and any player that has a gun legally or illegally is off the team....so yes these were in the last ten years, but to their credit, they have improved their behavior alot All of this is basically bullcrap. They did have a player murdered last year, but he was an innocent victim, so it's hardly an issue of poor discipline. I'm sure if Sarah Pavan got raped at a party you wouldn't suggest Cook suspend her. Brandon Meriwether did NOT get in trouble for gun possession. One of his teammates got shot. Not out at the club causing trouble, but in front of their house. It was only Brandon's completely LEGAL possession of a firearm, and useage of that firearm in self defense that was 100% cleared by the cops, that saved him and his teammates lives. They have not had any recruits get in trouble on visits, unless you are thinking of Willie Williams, who got in trouble on his visit to Florida, got in ZERO trouble at UM, and then got in trouble again after winding up at UL. The rules thing is part of the anti Miami media spin. Randy Shannon made a lot of (imo) overly strict rules like "no hats inside," and one of those happens to be no guns. No UM player in recent history has ever been in trouble involving owning a gun. But the way the media portrays the rule is like they have had out of control gun trouble recently, and randy shannon had to step in and put a stop to all the illegal gun usage going on. Then you have things like Antrel Rolle, who makes front page news everywhere when police detain him, and then back page retractions when it turns out he did nothing at all wrong and was clearly completely within a very short matter of time. The truth is that in the last 10 years Miami has been one of the cleanest programs in the entire nation. |
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Post by OverAndUnder on Oct 18, 2007 17:32:10 GMT -5
Which may be true, but given the state of college football, it's kind of like saying that in the last 10 years the CIA's systematic torture of "persons of interest" is one of the most humane torture programs on the entire planet.
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Post by pineapple on Oct 18, 2007 21:35:14 GMT -5
From what little I know, there are several reasons why Hawaii is flying to the flat cornfield country of Nebraska: 1. good competition during the not-so-competitive WAC season. Hawaii always tries to schedule tough competitors during the WAC season for self-improvement. 2. Coaching staff can incorporate recruiting scouting trips of players in the general Midwest/Central Plains area. 3. Most important: Nebraska is paying Hawaii $10,000. I read this somewhere. Struck me as reasonable. Who wouldn't fly halfway over the continent for some moola. Heck, I even flew to Israel for paying work. Great experience, btw. Still go from time to time. That is kinda what i figured, well large cash sum i mean, iwasn't going to say it was a pointless trip, but kinda questioning the money aspect, can't argue with the competition, not a better team to play, but the guarantee makes the trip that much more worth it If money mattered, why doesn't nebraska come to hawaii? The money would flow in reverse. The compensation would be more than that! You can imagine what wonderful time the girls would have. After sweeping Hawaii, they get to bathe at the beach at Waikiki. Or if time permits, go sight seeing and really see how beautiful this place is. |
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Post by pineapple on Oct 18, 2007 21:37:42 GMT -5
must add and how friendly we are despite you guys being jackasses. ;D
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Post by ADIDAVB on Oct 18, 2007 21:48:16 GMT -5
Hey chance Last 10 years right:
•December 2000: Players from Miami and Florida — police reports say 10 to 15; eyewitnesses say closer to 40 — clash on the streets of New Orleans in the days leading to their meeting in the Sugar Bowl. No charges were filed by police.
July 11, 2004: Cornerback Antrel Rolle is arrested and charged with a felony, battery on a police officer, in connection with an early-morning incident in Coconut Grove, Fla. Rolle is suspended indefinitely. Prosecutors later decide not to pursue the case, citing problems with evidence. Rolle is reinstated.
•November 2005: A rap song with sexually explicit lyrics, performed by a group called Seventh Floor Crew, surfaces on the Internet. Coach Larry Coker confirms that Miami football players are members of the group, which recorded the song two years earlier. Athletics director Paul Dee, saying the matter would be handled internally, noted that the song was performed in private and never was intended for distribution.
•Dec. 30, 2005: Several Miami players fight with LSU players following the Tigers' 40-3 win at the Peach Bowl in Atlanta, a brawl that quickly escalated into a melee in the tunnel leading from the field and had Georgia State Patrol officers intervening.
•July 21, 2006: Miami player Willie Cooper suffers superficial wounds to his buttocks after he is shot outside his residence near campus in what players contend was a robbery attempt. Safety Brandon Meriweather, one of those suspended for Saturday's brawl, returns fire at the alleged assailants. Police say he acted legally, noting Meriweather had a permit for the weapon. Three days later, coach Larry Coker says he would discourage players from having guns. "I don't really want our players to have firearms. I'd rather they would dial 911 to come and handle those type of problems," he said.
•Aug. 27, 2006: Wide receiver Ryan Moore, sent home from the Peach Bowl for violating team rules, is suspended for the first two games of 2006 for other violations. The Miami-Dade County State Attorney's Office says it expects to charge Moore this week with misdemeanors stemming from an Aug. 26 fight with a woman. Moore hasn't played this season.
•Sept. 16, 2006: Shortly before the game at Louisville, virtually the entire Hurricanes' roster jumps on the Cardinals logo at midfield — an act widely viewed as a taunting gesture. Miami loses 31-7. Afterward, several Miami players chide teammates for their involvement in that incident.
•Oct. 14, 2006: A bench-clearing brawl breaks out among players on the field during the third quarter of a game against Florida International at the Orange Bowl. A total of 13 players are ejected after police and stadium security help break up the five-minute melee. TV cameras catch one Miami player wielding his helmet as a weapon and an injured FIU player swinging his crutches.
Now all these might now be criminal acts, but i think it shows far from a clean program
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Post by ADIDAVB on Oct 18, 2007 21:49:55 GMT -5
That is kinda what i figured, well large cash sum i mean, iwasn't going to say it was a pointless trip, but kinda questioning the money aspect, can't argue with the competition, not a better team to play, but the guarantee makes the trip that much more worth it If money mattered, why doesn't nebraska come to hawaii? The money would flow in reverse. The compensation would be more than that! You can imagine what wonderful time the girls would have. After sweeping Hawaii, they get to bathe at the beach at Waikiki. Or if time permits, go sight seeing and really see how beautiful this place is. I would agree, they should, would be a great trip, and i'm sure if they were getting most of the travel paid for they would.......wait we are talking about John Cook, i think he might be a little too affraid to lose that one, he might veiw it more of a "trap" match |
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Post by pineapple on Oct 18, 2007 22:28:05 GMT -5
Cook is an exception. A lot of teams use playing Hawaii in hawaii as a recruitment gimmick. if hawaii is not a threat as it has not been in recent times, Cook should take advantage. And I promise all you guys, even nasty keystonekid, a fine time. I'll take some you guys around honolulu then end up in my modest grass shack, unlike Ladeda and Wolfgang who say they have high end homes, ffor a Hawaiian barbecue. I might even invite BiK, the haole kanaka.
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Post by Chance on Oct 18, 2007 22:37:09 GMT -5
•Sept. 16, 2006: Shortly before the game at Louisville, virtually the entire Hurricanes' roster jumps on the Cardinals logo at midfield — an act widely viewed as a taunting gesture. Miami loses 31-7. Afterward, several Miami players chide teammates for their involvement in that incident. Did you even read these, or just copy / paste some list? Besides the fact that this is not illegal, or against any rules, i guarantee you wouldn't even know about it if the media didn't have an anti miami bias. This is fairly common. For example, I read Florida jumped up and down on the tiger eye before the LSU game, but of course nobody heard about it because the media isnt out to make Florida out to be a bunch of thugs. •November 2005: A rap song with sexually explicit lyrics, performed by a group called Seventh Floor Crew, surfaces on the Internet. Coach Larry Coker confirms that Miami football players are members of the group, which recorded the song two years earlier. Athletics director Paul Dee, saying the matter would be handled internally, noted that the song was performed in private and never was intended for distribution. Anybody who thinks this is indicative of an unclean program is an idiot. I'm sorry, but they are. This song was PRIVATELY recorded, and NOT distributed. If you want to know just how "not distributed" it was, it took it like 2 years to become public. If this had been at all widely distributed, it would have come out way way way sooner. That means it's private, and none of anybodies damn business, especially in light of the fact that there is nothing illegal or against any NCAA rule about it. Any for anybody who wants to cry and cry about how offensive and degrading to women the song is... 1. It starts with a DISCLAIMER, clearly indicating the song is in jest. 2. Virtually every single football player in the nation probably listens to music with "offensive" lyrics. A big majority of college students in general listen to music with "offensive" lyrics. Offensive music is hardly worth singling out. 3. Nobody at all is harmed by the creation of a private song which doesn't mention any specific people. Hard to really make an arguement that it's "wrong." 4. The overreatction on this issue was astounding. Somewhat well known media people like Jay Mariotti were making coments like "this undoes all the positive work Larry Coker and Butch Davis have done cleaning up the program." About what other program in the nation would media people say that a PRIVATE rap song "undoes" being one of the cleanest programs in the nation over recent history? Hey chance Last 10 years right: July 11, 2004: Cornerback Antrel Rolle is arrested and charged with a felony, battery on a police officer, in connection with an early-morning incident in Coconut Grove, Fla. Rolle is suspended indefinitely. Prosecutors later decide not to pursue the case, citing problems with evidence. Rolle is reinstated. Allready covered this. IIRC, his dad was a policeman (in a different county / jurisdiction), and he had never been in trouble in his life. He was briefly arrested, but released after it turned out that he didn't do anything. Of course the news of him being completely cleared received far less press than the news of him being arrested. •July 21, 2006: Miami player Willie Cooper suffers superficial wounds to his buttocks after he is shot outside his residence near campus in what players contend was a robbery attempt. Safety Brandon Meriweather, one of those suspended for Saturday's brawl, returns fire at the alleged assailants. Police say he acted legally, noting Meriweather had a permit for the weapon. Three days later, coach Larry Coker says he would discourage players from having guns. "I don't really want our players to have firearms. I'd rather they would dial 911 to come and handle those type of problems," he said. How DARE those Miami players DEFEND THEMSELVES FROM A F---ING ROBBERY! Once again, played up in the media like Miami did something wrong, when in fact Brandon used a legally owned firearm to save him and his teammates life from criminals. Completely cleared by the police, and it was at THEIR house. •Dec. 30, 2005: Several Miami players fight with LSU players following the Tigers' 40-3 win at the Peach Bowl in Atlanta, a brawl that quickly escalated into a melee in the tunnel leading from the field and had Georgia State Patrol officers intervening. You mean the small fight that mostly consisted of people shoving each other, with the notable exception of when the miami player used his head to hit the LSU guy's helmet? Also notice the difference in media coverage between the LSU player hitting a Miami player with his helmet, and a Miami player hitting an FIU player with his. The Miami player got far far far more negative attention than the LSU player did. •Oct. 14, 2006: A bench-clearing brawl breaks out among players on the field during the third quarter of a game against Florida International at the Orange Bowl. A total of 13 players are ejected after police and stadium security help break up the five-minute melee. TV cameras catch one Miami player wielding his helmet as a weapon and an injured FIU player swinging his crutches. 1. FIU basically spent the whole game to that point late hitting and cheap shotting. In fact, if you look at the tape, you can find a number of times in which Meriwether, of the "stomping" fame, actually restrains himself and his teammates from responding to late hits / cheap shots. 2. The fight starts after an extra point. After the point is kicked, minor scuffling breaks out. It's bassically just limited shoving, the kind with offsetting 15 yard penalties with no ejections. Then, FIU grabs the Miami HOLDER (the HOLDER!), throws him to the ground, and begins KICKING HIM IN HIS F---ING HEAD!!!! (Watch the begining of the video ). If you watch the video, you can clearly see some of the miami players are semi calmly moving toward the holder tho break up the guys grabbing him, and then as FIU throws him to the ground and starts to kick his head, THEN they start charging in and the fight begins. I don't know of ANY team, quite possibly INCLUDING the service academies, who would not start a bench clearing brawl after that incident. That doesn't excuse the one guy stomping or the guy swinging the helmet, but when you have 100+ dudes on the field fighting, a few people on ANY team will cross the line. |
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Post by ADIDAVB on Oct 18, 2007 22:49:08 GMT -5
sounds like a miami fan making a lot of excuses, i even said not all these are legal or criminal, but hardly show a picture of a clean program, Rutgers has been accused of being a dirty football team twice this season, not bench clearing brawls, i watch tons of football on teh weekends and played football ball for 16 years, played in and watch numberous games where one team sfelt the other was taking a lot of cheap shots and playing dirt, no bench clearing brawls, just beat them where it hurts most, the scoreboard....a small fight??? a lot of incidents only involve one football player, but are blown up, sounds like in your opinion, they would be "small", so what a booster paid the police dept to drop charges on rolle, doesn't mean nothing happen or he wouldn't have been arrested in the first place ( totally kidding on the booster paying the police, i have no knowledgeof that, but wouldn't be surprised if it happen) says he was let off because of "evidence" problems bnot cuase he didn't do anything.. trouble is trouble, wheter you cause it or not..............and another article i couldn't find, isn't Shaun Taylor still in some legal stuff that happen during his stay at the "U"?
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Post by ADIDAVB on Oct 18, 2007 22:59:56 GMT -5
and in case you aren't up on your news, there have been quite a few articles on the university of florida football team their their legal problem ever since they won the national title
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Post by Chance on Oct 19, 2007 1:35:21 GMT -5
sounds like a miami fan making a lot of excuses, i even said not all these are legal or criminal, but hardly show a picture of a clean program, Rutgers has been accused of being a dirty football team twice this season, not bench clearing brawls, i watch tons of football on teh weekends and played football ball for 16 years, played in and watch numberous games where one team sfelt the other was taking a lot of cheap shots and playing dirt, no bench clearing brawls, just beat them where it hurts most, the scoreboard....a small fight??? a lot of incidents only involve one football player, but are blown up, sounds like in your opinion, they would be "small", so what a booster paid the police dept to drop charges on rolle, doesn't mean nothing happen or he wouldn't have been arrested in the first place ( totally kidding on the booster paying the police, i have no knowledgeof that, but wouldn't be surprised if it happen) says he was let off because of "evidence" problems bnot cuase he didn't do anything.. trouble is trouble, wheter you cause it or not..............and another article i couldn't find, isn't Shaun Taylor still in some legal stuff that happen during his stay at the "U"? Keep talking out your ass. It's awesome. You watch "tons of football on the weekends?" Good. Tell me the last time you saw somebody throw a player to the ground, surround them, and start kicking them in the head? Doesn't happen often, does it? So maybe THAT'S why you don't see lots of bench clearing brawls. As for Sean Taylor, he never got in trouble while at Miami. Most of the trouble he has gotten in since then has been blown up by the media. Oh God, he left an NFL rookie orientation early, what a thug! The only serious charge, the one where he fired a gun at some robbers, got dropped. Which wasn't surprising because IIRC, the people he shot at got killed later, trying to rob SOMEBODY ELSE's house. The only reason it went on as long as it did was because of some crazy prosecutor, who got in big trouble himself after trying to use the publicity of being the guy on the case to drum up interest in his club DJing business (really). Nobody paid off the !!!!###$$$!!! police department. Miami isn't some big giant state schools with lots of super rich boosters, plus the whole concept of boosters paying off police is pretty out there, and this is coming from somebody who says that most big state schools are probably cheating at least a little. As for him being let off for "evidence problems," that's just you skipping any actual knowledge or research in favor of just going with the quote on some random list of anti miami stuff that looks listed off some blog. Here is the actual quote. Make sure you read the part in BOLD. "Assistant State Attorney Michael Grieco said after conducting an independent investigation, he concluded a "no action" of the charges was appropriate. "Initially, I have determined that the arrest was appropriate/legal and supported by probable cause," Grieco said in a release. "Obviously the standard for filing charges is much more demanding than the standard for arrest so I have to take numerous additional factors into account in making a good-faith determination whether or not there is a likelihood to prove this case beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury." Grieco added that not only was an officer not injured but that it was not Rolle's intent to injure the officer. "If anything, the contact between Mr. Rolle and the officer involved was merely incidental," he said. "Additionally, neither alcohol nor drugs were factors in this incident."" I hate to sound like a little whiny goth chick, but some of you people are like a bunch of sheep on this issue. "Well the media blew up a bunch of tiny incidents or even incidents where THE MIAMI PLAYER IS THE VICTIM," and tried to spin it like Miami is a bunch of thugs, so I will just take their word for it and ignore the fact that they have been one of the cleanest programs in the nation over the last ten years. The Rolle thing is a PERFECT example. He gets arrested for contact with a police officer later officially described as "merely incidental," and its front page headlines. The charges get droped and the contact ruled "incidental," and its on page D16. Then, everybody uses "him getting arrested" to prop up the next @$$%*!* accusation as for why the program is a bunch of thugs. It's a sick cycle of crappy journalism and dumbass biased people. If some white fullback at Nebraska had used his legally registered gun to drive away criminals who shot his teammate in their front yard, the media would play him up as a f---ing hero. Yet when a player at Miami does it, suddenly he is a thug. |
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Post by ADIDAVB on Oct 19, 2007 14:34:07 GMT -5
are you a little whint goth chick? whateva that has to do with the price of tea in china, i am not biased against miami, nor am I nebraska fan at all. as a matter of fact i lived in nebraska and nevr had a single peice of husker clothing, but i didn have many Miami T-shirts, hats, and jerseys.....and still have a couple......i do think the image of the Miami football team is changing, but hasn;t changed as of yet. Yes Unfortunatly people still see the program as a bunch of thugs and it will take a while longer for that image to completely change......I didnt accuse Miami boosters of paying off the police Jacka*s, LOOK AT MY POST, I SAID I WAS JOKING!!!!! But yes, I do believe most of these programs do cheat to get an advantage, these violation may be major or minor, doesn't really matter.....i din't get that article of some "blog" those are mostly rumors and opinions, i got it off a New York Post article |
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Post by Chance on Oct 19, 2007 15:48:37 GMT -5
Yeah, but you sat the fence nicely with your "but i wouldn't be surprised if it really happened..."
The only reason it "hasn't changed yet" is because the media and the people who hang on every word they say wont LET it change. If ten years of being one of the cleanest teams in d1a doesnt get it to change, nothing will. The problem is that the stereotype keeps getting re-enforced by the media blowing up stuff that would be ignored at other schools into huge issues. Or taking things where a miami player SAVED HIS TEAMMATES LIFE using a legally registered gun, and spinning it like he is a thug. Once again, If some white fullback at Nebraska does that, he is a f---ing hero in the newspaper.
It's a very simple cycle.
1. Something like the Rolle incident happens, which is either a minor problem or (like in this case) NOT A PROBLEM AT ALL.
2. The media makes a big deal out of it with anti Miami bias (in this case, virtually ignoring the part where he was 100% cleared).
3. It's added to the list of other sketchy "problems" Miami supposedly has.
4. This list is then used to support the next ticky tack non issue, which helps it be considered a big deal by the media.
5. Rinse / repeat.
If you still believe it's a thug school with problems, you give me a reason, and it needs to be better than the incident at the sugar bowl and the Ryan Moore thing (the only legit ones on that list). If you don't, then just say "It's a clean school with very few problems, especially by d1 football standards."
10 years as one of the cleanest schools in the nation does not = "changing," it equals "changed."
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Post by ADIDAVB on Oct 19, 2007 17:35:04 GMT -5
i will agree with you that many of the things on the list are minor, and I said they weren't legal problems, I will agree with you that the media blows things out of control, they not only do it at Miami, but just about everyother school, at Nebraska the made the incident where the QB Keller, yelled at a female student for taking his parking space he had been waiting on, now that was ridiculous in my opinion, and had he not been who he was it wouldn't have even been reported by the female student and we never would have heard about it. Unfortunately we don't hear enough about th good change at Miami or the good at other football programs, all people care to do is focus on the negative, and it is very sad. Yea i do believe the miami program has changed alot since the Jimmy johnson, dennis erickson days, but unfortunately for the current players and program, any little incident that happens now, seems to set the program back 10-15 years and give it the thug image all over again......I won't call it the cleanest school in the nation, but i also wouldn't say that they are one of the worst anymore, many other schools recently have had huge problems, penn state, tennessee, Florida, texas, etc, seems to go in cycles along with program success, but i like what the recent coaches have done to change the image of the program, but ultamately, i think teams like miami, florida, FSU, etc, will always have that "thug image"
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I just find that a little wierd, i could see a tourney or maybe even a couple matches, but just one?
