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Post by bomber on Oct 17, 2007 18:52:38 GMT -5
Hawai'i started a new setter in Brandt which did not train with the team that much, had no experience with the Hawai'i system, Some players coming back from last season injuries in Hittle and a 5'11 OH hitter also new to the system. But I'm not about to make excuses, because Michigan obviously played their hearts out in that match and it came down to who wanted it the most. Wisconsin will never be as successful as Hawai'i has present and past neither will Minnesota. So lets just face it bomber rat!.....Wisconsin is just a newbie!.....far behind Power House HAWAI'I.....History tells more than you think whether present or past!....Thanks!.... Look needlebrain, one of the problems I have with you Hawaii fans is that you are so obsessed with Hawaii, you have no idea about another squad or what they're about. So Hawaii started Brandt, a new setter? Well that could be an excuse for losing to Michigan, I suppose...................except, that Michigan started Lexi Zimmerman, a brand new frosh setter of their own, who had been practicing with the Michigan squad less than a month. Doof! The other problem I have with you in particular is that your use of improper syntax, frequent grammatical and punctuation errors and overall poor and childish sentence structure makes your postings very difficult to read. You aren't by any chance a high school teenage girl, are you?
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Post by IdahoBoy on Oct 17, 2007 19:01:18 GMT -5
Please educate be about the WAC. Are there 4 teams that have been to the regional finals since 2000? Are there 3 teams that have been to the regional finals 3 times since 2000? The Big10 has more teams capable of going deep in the tourney than the WAC. (I deduced that the conference is tough) I like Hawai'i VB, but I'm not a fan of the WAC. I like PSU, Wisconsin (& Minnesota) VB and I'm a fan of the entire Big10. Why do we need to bring the WAC into this? Hawaii does well enough on it's own to stand against the entire Big Ten conference/
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Post by bomber on Oct 17, 2007 19:03:31 GMT -5
Please educate be about the WAC. Are there 4 teams that have been to the regional finals since 2000? Are there 3 teams that have been to the regional finals 3 times since 2000? The Big10 has more teams capable of going deep in the tourney than the WAC. (I deduced that the conference is tough) I like Hawai'i VB, but I'm not a fan of the WAC. I like PSU, Wisconsin (& Minnesota) VB and I'm a fan of the entire Big10. Why do we need to bring the WAC into this? Hawaii does well enough on it's own to stand against the entire Big Ten conference/ I don't blame you, Idaho, for not wanting to bring the WAC into this.....I wouldn't either, if I were a Hawaii fan.......
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Post by IdahoBoy on Oct 17, 2007 19:09:55 GMT -5
Why do we need to bring the WAC into this? Hawaii does well enough on it's own to stand against the entire Big Ten conference/ I don't blame you, Idaho, for not wanting to bring the WAC into this.....I wouldn't either, if I were a Hawaii fan....... I think that the WAC out-draws the Big Ten in annual attendance. I'm just trying to protect the WAC, a volleyball power conference in the making. It's seriously sad that the Big Ten does underperform so badly, though. You can throw all 11-teams against the nation and they still fail to show their dominance year-in and year-out.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 17, 2007 19:36:21 GMT -5
So Hawai'i has been in 4 regional finals since 2000? looking at your list, no Big 10 team has that many, thanks for proving my point. I thought your point was about Hawaii having more regional finals than all the Big Ten teams COMBINED? Thus, your backpeddling is telling.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 17, 2007 20:09:31 GMT -5
So Hawai'i has been in 4 regional finals since 2000? looking at your list, no Big 10 team has that many, thanks for proving my point. I thought your point was about Hawaii having more regional finals than all the Big Ten teams COMBINED? Thus, your backpeddling is telling. I don't feel like I've backpedaled at all. My point has always been that the Big 10, for all of its touting has little to show for itself outside of Conference play. Hawai'i and Florida have been more successful in the tourney than all of the Big 10 teams combined. Fwiw, My point wasn't merely about regional final appearences. ... and the Big 10 still has only won 1 National Title in its history. Futhermore, Purdue has NEVER beaten Hawai'i. Neither has Minnesota.
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Post by leadbrain on Oct 17, 2007 20:42:35 GMT -5
i love this site. a thread originally about the PSU-Wisc match-up has become a who's sword is bigger contest between the Big 10 fans and hawaii fans. ah, the beauty of volleytalk.
i will respond to one post, the attendance one. i know hawaii draws very well but who else in the wac does? i know that wisconsin, minnesota, and penn state all draw well for the big ten. just curious cause i don't know.
lastly, bomber, it's not "needlebrain" it's leadbrain. thank you
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2007 22:16:46 GMT -5
Hawai'i needs to get further in the tournament to have the privilege of losing to Minnesota.
Doof.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 17, 2007 22:20:02 GMT -5
Hawai'i needs to get further in the tournament to have the privilege of losing to Minnesota. Doof. Losing to the Golden Gophers would be an embarrassment.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2007 22:21:34 GMT -5
Losing before you can lose to them should be an even bigger embarrassment.
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Post by JT on Oct 17, 2007 22:41:31 GMT -5
I thought your point was about Hawaii having more regional finals than all the Big Ten teams COMBINED? Thus, your backpeddling is telling. I don't feel like I've backpedaled at all. Let me refresh your memory, then. "Fact of the matter is that both Hawai'i and Florida have had more success in the NCAA tourney than ALL OF THE BIG 10 TEAMS COMBINED."Now, you want to compare Hawaii against any ONE team in the Big Ten. Are you saying that Hawaii, when it gets to lean on the success of Florida, can beat the Big Ten as a pair? That's not what you said above. For that matter, has Florida been to six regional finals in the last seven years? That's what it'd take for Florida and her little sister Hawaii to equal the BigTen, which is what you're (now) appearing to claim. Or are you going to peddle back some more now? Yup. Your questions were about FF appearances, and Regional Final appearances. Not one of your criteria.. until now. Does your bike have any gear other than reverse? True. I thought we were talking about the BIG TEN conference, and all eleven teams in it. At least, that's what you started out talking about.
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Post by Mix Breed-TEXAS,HI,LBSU on Oct 17, 2007 22:49:27 GMT -5
Hawai'i started a new setter in Brandt which did not train with the team that much, had no experience with the Hawai'i system, Some players coming back from last season injuries in Hittle and a 5'11 OH hitter also new to the system. But I'm not about to make excuses, because Michigan obviously played their hearts out in that match and it came down to who wanted it the most. Wisconsin will never be as successful as Hawai'i has present and past neither will Minnesota. So lets just face it bomber rat!.....Wisconsin is just a newbie!.....far behind Power House HAWAI'I.....History tells more than you think whether present or past!....Thanks!.... Look needlebrain, one of the problems I have with you Hawaii fans is that you are so obsessed with Hawaii, you have no idea about another squad or what they're about. So Hawaii started Brandt, a new setter? Well that could be an excuse for losing to Michigan, I suppose...................except, that Michigan started Lexi Zimmerman, a brand new frosh setter of their own, who had been practicing with the Michigan squad less than a month. Doof! The other problem I have with you in particular is that your use of improper syntax, frequent grammatical and punctuation errors and overall poor and childish sentence structure makes your postings very difficult to read. You aren't by any chance a high school teenage girl, are you? Oooohhhh!...did I offend you Bomber?....Good!.....At least I got your attention. My problem with you is that I think your a BIG IDIOT!.......more like a geeky type of idiot....LOL! Laugh now cause it's funny....!....hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahha
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Post by Mix Breed-TEXAS,HI,LBSU on Oct 17, 2007 22:50:57 GMT -5
i love this site. a thread originally about the PSU-Wisc match-up has become a who's sword is bigger contest between the Big 10 fans and hawaii fans. ah, the beauty of volleytalk. i will respond to one post, the attendance one. i know hawaii draws very well but who else in the wac does? i know that wisconsin, minnesota, and penn state all draw well for the big ten. just curious cause i don't know. lastly, bomber, it's not "needlebrain" it's leadbrain. thank you LOL!...The shemale was actually talking to me...
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Post by Mix Breed-TEXAS,HI,LBSU on Oct 17, 2007 22:53:06 GMT -5
Hawai'i started a new setter in Brandt which did not train with the team that much, had no experience with the Hawai'i system, Some players coming back from last season injuries in Hittle and a 5'11 OH hitter also new to the system. [glow=red,2,300]But I'm not about to make excuses, because Michigan obviously played their hearts out in that match and it came down to who wanted it the most.[/glow] Wisconsin will never be as successful as Hawai'i has present and past neither will Minnesota. So lets just face it bomber rat!.....Wisconsin is just a newbie!.....far behind Power House HAWAI'I.....History tells more than you think whether present or past!....Thanks!.... Look needlebrain, one of the problems I have with you Hawaii fans is that you are so obsessed with Hawaii, you have no idea about another squad or what they're about. So Hawaii started Brandt, a new setter? Well that could be an excuse for losing to Michigan, I suppose...................except, that Michigan started Lexi Zimmerman, a brand new frosh setter of their own, who had been practicing with the Michigan squad less than a month. Doof! The other problem I have with you in particular is that your use of improper syntax, frequent grammatical and punctuation errors and overall poor and childish sentence structure makes your postings very difficult to read. You aren't by any chance a high school teenage girl, are you? You didn't read my post correctly shemale!.
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Post by JT on Oct 17, 2007 23:11:59 GMT -5
I don't blame you, Idaho, for not wanting to bring the WAC into this.....I wouldn't either, if I were a Hawaii fan....... I think that the WAC out-draws the Big Ten in annual attendance. I doubt it. In 2006... The WAC had two teams in the top 43 teams listed and ordered by Diane Nordstrom: - #1 - Hawaii, with 7,186 per match, and 158,093 for its 22 home matches.
- #14 - New Mexico State, with 1,830 per match, and 31,111 over its 17 home matches.
Total -- 189,204. The lowest ranked team on the list (KS-State) had 803 per match. The WAC's other 9 teams must average less than that. Looking at the 2006 results on RichKern, you can find that they played the following number of home matches: Idaho - 9 Nevada - 15 SJ State - 14 Boise State - 11 Utah State - 10 Fresno State - 14 LA Tech - 13 For a total of 86 home matches. If these seven teams were all tied for 44th place in attendance, they might have as many as 802 fans per match, for a combined total attendance of 68,972. Thus, the maximum possible attendance for the WAC would be 258,176. In all likelihood, it's significantly less than that. The Big Ten had eight teams in the 43 top teams -- - #2 - Wisconsin, with 4,328 per match, and 73,576 total over 17 matches
- #4 - Minnesota, with 3,938 per match, and 51,198 total over 13 matches
- #5 - Penn State, with 2,596 per match, and 46,723 total over 18 matches
- #15 - Purdue, with 1,802 per match, and 30,631 total over 17 matches
- #20 - Michigan State, with 1,473 per match, and 22,098 total over 15 matches
- #21 - Illinois, with 1,471 per match, and 19,127 total over 13 matches
- #27 - Ohio State, with 1,263 per match, and 20,207 total over 16 matches
- #39 - Michigan, with 966 per match, and 15,458 total over 16 matches
Total -- 279,018. Without counting the three other BigTen teams, we're already more than 20,000 ahead of the maximum possible attendance for the WAC conference.
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