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Post by westcoastplaya on Jul 7, 2009 17:15:02 GMT -5
Thanks for this info. It's nice to know that NIRSA has some structure like a series of BOD's and a checks and balances system in place. I'm also glad these folks are recreational sports professionals, afterall, that's where most clubs resignate. The more you trash NIRSA, the more desperate you come across. NIRSA is a quality organization that isn't bogged down by hundreds of other VB tournaments (USAV). Instead, they focus on a true national championship and devote sincere time and energy into the national that equates in a remarkable student experience. Isn't that what it's all about?
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Post by osulibero9 on Jul 13, 2009 11:28:09 GMT -5
The fact of the matter is that NIRSA makes millions off of the sport of club volleyball (and even started the NCCS, a for profit company) and doesn't even tell the commissioners where their money is going, some of which is used to finance other sports in NIRSA. They have changed eligibility rules and other things without consulting the NCVF.
The only reason they put on such a good championship is because the sport of club volleyball is biggest source of income. Moving to USAV makes sense, they still put on great tournaments AND it will probably be more affordable to attend. Plus we are keeping our money within our sport and helping it grow. It seems like a pretty easy decision to me.
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Post by bredsox61 on Jul 13, 2009 11:32:05 GMT -5
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Post by westcoastplaya on Jul 13, 2009 14:35:28 GMT -5
Shame on you NCVF! You're all money grubbin' thieves.
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Post by nccvl on Jul 14, 2009 4:01:02 GMT -5
The NCVF is a group of volunteers. Most have over 10 years coaching experience with the sport and some have over 20. Most are league commissioners from areas throughout the country. The last 5 years, NCVF members have shelled out their own personal money to attend the annual NCVF meeting in Chicago.
NCVF members deserve the respect of folks interested in promoting club volleyball. The NCVF IS the leadership of the sport.
I hope you all make the decision to support the NCVF as we have supported the formation and nurtured the growth of the sport for many many years.
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Post by vballblack7 on Jul 14, 2009 10:55:45 GMT -5
For those of you who don't know and are complaining about NCVF significantly altering or changing the nationals experience we all know and love, the director and founder of the original NIRSA Championships is also a director for the newly created NCVF. The same volleyball administrators who helped run NIRSA are now running NCVF.
The group who founded the NCVF has put in an incredible amount of personal time and effort to make this switch happen, mostly to make the collegiate club experience more enjoyable and affordable.
I agree, they do deserve our respect as well as the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by Orpheus on Jul 14, 2009 15:02:51 GMT -5
Many club teams, whether they support NCVF or not, will have no choice but to attend NIRSA in Dallas at their sport club programs' insistence under threat of funding cuts. This will include some of the traditionally stronger teams on both the mens and womens sides. ** edit, this is especially true for the larger schools whose rec sports programs have deep ties with NIRSA or members that sit on their BOD.
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Post by gobears on Jul 14, 2009 22:16:20 GMT -5
Water cooler info heard recently....about NIRSA National Convention last month? Lots of discussions about the duplicate tourneys. Talk about issues at KC in April, etc.
Appears to be a number of universities who say they SUPPORT NIRSA and are likely to mandate their club teams go to Dallas.
This is likely to get messier as we go along here.
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Post by oh9910 on Jul 17, 2009 10:26:05 GMT -5
What I dont understand is why the NCVF would go and partner with USAV. Most of the girls Jr. volleyball in the midwest split away from USAV and formed the JDVA because the USAV was doing many of the same things that NIRSA has been doing to the college clubs(i.e not communicating with clubs, over charging jr's and using the money to fund other facets of USAV, increasing nationals/qualifying costs). Were these issues addressed and resolved or is the NCVF just jumping in with the next biggest organization and hoping for the best.
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Post by gobears on Jul 17, 2009 12:28:07 GMT -5
They have to partner with someone to actually run the tourney...I guess.
If extra monies are being used by NIRSA for non vb sports, then at least extra money generated by NCVF/USA VB will be going to the sport of volleyball.
With major issues with discipline/problems at NIRSA Nationals, the consideration of Regionals is understandable. Smaller Regionals means they can go back to campus venues. Closer to many schools so travel costs are less. Fewer teams means supervision easier, the thought was... maybe.
NCVF on the other hand wanted to have bigger and even more teams at Nationals...which they likely set up in the contract with USA VB.
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Post by Orpheus on Jul 17, 2009 15:20:46 GMT -5
I admire that concept. I agree with your earlier statement that this is likely to get messier as we go along. I know our program was instructed even before the spring semester was out (and NCVF confirmed their event) that we will lose all funding if we abandon NIRSA. I'm sure this will be the case at several universities.
I don't really recall the smaller and more manageable number of teams at nationals back in the 90's impeding the amount of fun I was having as a player. I'm not so sure that regionalization will kill the enjoyment factor. I'm not ready to come out swinging for either side just yet, but since I already know my program has been mandated to go to NIRSA, I'm hoping the tourney will still have some level of success and attendance.
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Post by vtmiddle24 on Jul 17, 2009 17:44:57 GMT -5
has anyone else noticed how HORRIBLE the action shots are that the "professionals" take at nationals?
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Post by rogero1 on Jul 17, 2009 18:41:50 GMT -5
The 2010 NCVF Collegiate Club Volleyball Championship Tournament is in Louisville!
From the looks of the list of commissioners & reps, NCVF will be just as large and strong as past NIRSA tourneys. Here's the list:
Eastern Intercollegiate Volleyball Association - Neiad Ammary, Commissioner Southern Intercollegiate Volleyball Association - Trevor Hale, Commissioner Middle Atlantic Club Volleyball Conference - Bob Herrmann, Commissioner Northern Intercollegiate Volleyball Conference - José Jones, Commissioner Midwest Intercollegiate Volleyball Association - Sante Perrelli, Commissioner Midwest Women’s Clubs - Anne Pufhal, Women’s Representative Midwest Collegiate Volleyball Association - Mike Chinander, Commissioner Independent Women’s Clubs - Mike Jackson, Women’s Representative New England Collegiate Volleyball League - Jung Park, Commissioner Northeast Women's Volleyball Club League - Jung Park, Commissioner Northern California Collegiate Volleyball League - Joseanna Tse, Men's Commissioner, & Robert Stamps, Women's Commissioner, & Chelsea Reilley, Women’s Commissioner Southern California Collegiate Volleyball League - Denny Cline, Commissioner Mountain West Volleyball Conference - Clint Barnes, Commissioner Penn Ohio Volleyball League - Paul Pisano, Commissioner Wisconsin Volleyball Conference - Jason Smith, Commissioner
My 2-part question is: If you are a member of one of these conferences and you have been told by your administration to go to NIRSA and not NCVF, do you get dropped from your confernce the next year? Or, if you go to NCVF, does your school lose your club status with NIRSA?
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Post by gobears on Jul 17, 2009 19:04:45 GMT -5
all good questions.... remains to be seen.....
not sure how many teams get ANY money from their college/campus rec dept or enough to make any difference. Those who do receive money that the loss would be difficult to handle... will have to decide.
Fun at Nationals is one thing...jail and "co mingling" in the hotel hallways is another thing altogether.
Each school and commissioner and league will make their decisions I guess.
Can't see that it would make any sense to make the post season choice have any bearing on where/against whom one competes during the season...bickering is counter productive.
but stranger things have happened.
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Post by rogero1 on Jul 17, 2009 23:35:11 GMT -5
It looks like those leagues and comissioners already made their choice. Just wondering if the teams have any say if the administration steps in.
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