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Post by gobears on Jul 18, 2009 11:48:44 GMT -5
I doubt that the concept that some universities would mandate that their teams go to NIRSA ever occured to them... but who knows.
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Post by vtmiddle24 on Jul 18, 2009 19:19:04 GMT -5
heres what my head of club sports said to me:
The issue of this new tournament (in competition with the NIRSA National) was discussed quite a bit at the NIRSA Sport Club Symposium Tim and I attended in June. Some of the schools represented at the symposium feel a strong loyalty to the NIRSA national tournaments and some schools (I would put us in this category), while loyal to NIRSA (VT Rec Sports has been a member of NIRSA for a long time) leave decisions about which tournaments clubs should attend up to the clubs.
I know that NIRSA is concerned about losing teams to this other tournament, but I guess that's the way the free market works. I know that NIRSA works hard to make their nationals a good experience for the schools attending, just make sure that this other tournament has those same goals in mind.
Some of the issues you mention here were discussed at the symposium we were at (people questioning the finances of nationals, etc....). NIRSA only runs nationals for 3 sports- volleyball, tennis and soccer. They have been, to this point, filling a gap to run nationals for sports that haven't had a national governing body of their own to run a national championship. It sounds like volleyball is moving in the direction of "taking care of themselves" and like I said, if the free market causes NIRSA to pull out of the volleyball championships business, then that's what will happen. We'll see how many teams end up going to Louisville vs. dallas, it should be interesting to see what happens. And like I said, my office is here to assist clubs and to make sure clubs are following university and dept. policies, etc..........not to dictate which tournaments teams should take part in. that's your call. I just want to make sure that our clubs are making informed decisions about how they're spending their money/time/effort and it sounds like you guys know what the situation is with this new organization.
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Post by Orpheus on Jul 20, 2009 12:13:19 GMT -5
My program competes in one of the conferences that is supporting NCVF by way of our commissioner's endorsement. It's my understanding that we won't be dropped from our league based on which national tourney we attend. In fact, our conference has had some degree of flexilibility from NIRSA's regulations regarding eligibility so I don't believe there is a connection. Our conference and "nationals" were always separate entities (for lack of better word) of competition and I'm sure that will remain the same.
I agree that fun at nationals is different from jail/comingling in hallways. I was able to have a blast without that kind of behavior/result, and only recently did I start to think of NIRSA as one big spring break party in a hotel. It definitely gets out of hand. My point was it could stand to be toned down yet not lose some of the appeal of a good time. This is of course just my own opinion, and I don't offer it from a pulpit.
VTmiddle, I really wish our rec sports program could take a page from your book. We do receive significant funding, the loss of which would severely impact our budget. We are mandated by the university not just on which nationals we have to go to, but also certain training we must attend, community functions we must assist with, and several requirements we must fulfill to retain our status as goodstanding. It was made very clear before the end of the spring semester that we would have no option with regard to which tourney to attend. Like I said earlier, I'm not plugging for either tourney, but I do know which one we'll attend even though it's going to be hard to pass with our hands tied behind our backs.
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Post by chiwoj85 on Jul 27, 2009 16:12:33 GMT -5
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Post by gobears on Jul 28, 2009 9:46:05 GMT -5
folks at Cal are aware of the issues. To be discussed/decided??? this fall, I guess. Don't know if it will be left up to the team or if it will be mandated.
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Post by giba911 on Jul 28, 2009 12:20:26 GMT -5
If I am not mistaken, I believe we got some funding from Lakeland College. It wasn't much I know that, because we still had to fund raise. But it wasn't like it went towards recruiting players or anything. I think it mainly went towards transportation or whatever. Not sure if Lakeland chips in more now that they won the National Championship 2 years ago.
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Post by callinup22 on Jul 28, 2009 13:02:02 GMT -5
So in a way I'm starting the program at Rice into the actual club scene because the guys played USAV last year. I registered with NCVF, but what else do i need to do? Any help would be much appreciated.
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Post by Orpheus on Jul 28, 2009 14:13:11 GMT -5
The teams that have already "committed" are probably the ones mandated. Oh well, like I said we're just going to look to make the most of it.
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Post by bredsox61 on Jul 28, 2009 15:43:01 GMT -5
So in a way I'm starting the program at Rice into the actual club scene because the guys played USAV last year. I registered with NCVF, but what else do i need to do? Any help would be much appreciated. What do you mean when you say you registered with NCVF? To my knowledge, they don't have the registration system up yet. If you are serious about starting a men's club at Rice, you should get yourself into a league... that would most likely be SIVA, sivavolleyball.com/default.aspx
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Post by callinup22 on Jul 28, 2009 16:13:26 GMT -5
It was the directory, and I've already talked to the SIVA director. Thanks!
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Post by gobears on Jul 29, 2009 23:01:05 GMT -5
Spent some time on the phone with a couple of the NCVF board recently. 1. NCVF selected first week of April 2010 for Nationals to avoid having it the same week that Nationals traditionally is....the second week of April, as they knew NIRSA was planning on running a Nationals tourney in 2010. NIRSA apparently moved their dates to conflicting dates. So teams get to choose unless their campus rec dept mandates Dallas. 2. NCVF admin...the various regional commissioners.... have no desire to restrict where teams choose to go for Nationals...teams can play in/belong to their league and attend Dallas or Louisville. 3. NCVF/USA VB will not have 'stay to play' policy for Louisville. Teams can and should choose whichever hotel they want....tourney hotel or other hotel. 4. As the competition period for 'in season' is one week shorter this year, some leagues with a large # of teams may find they cannot find dates for League Championships...as they will likely not want to schedule them on top of the Las Vegas tourney. Each league will have to decide that issue. If League Championships are not held in various regions in 2010, seeding for Nationals will be based on a team's w/l record during the season. NCVF intends to schedule 2011 Nationals the second week of April as in the past. Apparently scheduling the 3rd week of April, which I asked about, doesn't work as a number of colleges are in Finals by then. And I guess NCVF can't change Louisville to the second week of April for 2010 as contracts are already signed. I didn't ask.
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Post by Orpheus on Jul 30, 2009 11:14:03 GMT -5
I heard the same regarding your first point. In fact, I believe NIRSA published their "save the date" info in last year's program booklet at nationals using the second weekend. It appears they rescheduled to create this conflict and send a message.
In correspondence with some clubs in our region, NIRSA is also stating they are on the verge of having CBS Sports televise their tournament. I have to admit that is pretty cool and when you speak of growing the sport, this certainly fits the category. However, it's not definite and I remain highly skeptical that it will happen.
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Post by Durian on Jul 30, 2009 21:38:50 GMT -5
Don't buy it.
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Post by babycarrot on Jul 31, 2009 22:57:38 GMT -5
thats not going to happen are you serious? why would nirsa go out of there way to do something at all it just takes money away from their pockets
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Post by Orpheus on Aug 1, 2009 17:50:56 GMT -5
Yes I'm serious. Why else would I share that. I don't know any more than you do if it'll happen, like I indicated in my post, but that's what they are saying and I thought it worth sharing. As for your second question, you'll need to ask them directly.
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