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Post by Keystonekid on May 4, 2009 14:48:37 GMT -5
It is very difficult to be an underdog when 5 of your 6 starters are AA's
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Post by 30killspergame on May 4, 2009 15:01:29 GMT -5
It is very difficult to be an underdog when 5 of your 6 starters are AA's Hehe.. Would they all be AA's if they played in the MPSF?? NO.
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Post by jt1265 on May 4, 2009 15:05:15 GMT -5
It is very difficult to be an underdog when 5 of your 6 starters are AA's Hehe.. Would they all be AA's if they played in the MPSF?? NO. Holt, Dennis, Lipsitz, Price would def be AA's
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Post by vballin on May 4, 2009 16:38:41 GMT -5
Call PSU the underdog, or whatever you would like...they will be ready to play come Thursday. They have high levels of experience and talent that the other 3 teams lack. PSU has been there and done it. Someone said it - if their passing holds up, they can not be stopped. Look out for Holt and Lipsitz to crush. They command a double commit, and then the other attackers will have a field day. I am so excited for PSU vs. USC - hopefully a great match!
On the contrary, UCI vs. OSU should be ugly. People talk about how weak the EIVA is, well, the 2 teams that PSU had to go through to get to where they are, both beat OSU if I'm not mistaken (Mason & Juniata).
I think they need to set a standard that the At-large team comes in as the 4th seed. If that were the case this year, PSU vs. UCI and USC vs. OSU. I wouldn't mind that! I just don't think it's fair that a team that is on its second life should pretty much get a cakewalk into the NCAA Championships.
That's my take - stoked to watch out in BYU. It will be interesting to see how the teams adjust to the altitude and what sort of effect that takes on the action on the court.
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Post by vbbetterthanbb on May 4, 2009 17:32:14 GMT -5
2 thoughts re PSU’s chances: 1. Watch out -- Max Holt is definitely connecting better with the setter. Holt’s hitting pct was 0.52 before the West Coast trip and 0.61 after. It sounds like a tiny improvement until I notice that with 0.09 less in pct Carson Clark (25th ranked in NCAA Hitting Pct) would be down to 58th, and Murphy Troy (31), Jon Steller (35), Taylor Wilson (36) and Jordan Dufault (52) would not even be in the top 75 any more. But of course I am only having fun poking at numbers until they fit what I want to say ;D. 2. If Pete Carroll shows up and Joe Paterno does not , but I guess the feisty Lions will fight on. 2a. Since I also went to USC, so Go Lions, if not, Go Trojans, beat the Eaters!
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Post by slamjam on May 4, 2009 17:33:39 GMT -5
What time are the games being shown?
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Post by ucsdfan on May 4, 2009 17:55:09 GMT -5
Call PSU the underdog, or whatever you would like...they will be ready to play come Thursday. They have high levels of experience and talent that the other 3 teams lack. PSU has been there and done it. Someone said it - if their passing holds up, they can not be stopped. Look out for Holt and Lipsitz to crush. They command a double commit, and then the other attackers will have a field day. I am so excited for PSU vs. USC - hopefully a great match! As a defending champ, they will definitely come ready to play. More so, as a Pavlik coached team they will come ready to play. That is going to be a great semi-final to watch, and it won't surprise me at all to see five very close sets with tons of lead changes. But as a few people have pointed out in this thread (and others), the impact of the altitude should prove interesting. When USC beat UCI on Thursday at sea level, they were dotting the end line with many of their serves. At Provo, they'll have to back off a bit, which takes away their number one strength at the moment. Against both UCI and Pepperdine, their serve was on fire and they benefited from several poorly passed and overpassed first balls. If they don't have their serve, then PSU is the winner. If USC can serve like they've been serving, PSU will be able to do a little more sight-seeing than they originally planned. I just don't think it's fair that a team that is on its second life should pretty much get a cakewalk into the NCAA Championships. It will be interesting to see how the teams adjust to the altitude and what sort of effect that takes on the action on the court. "Second life?" What are you talking about? The top ranked team in the nation should get the top seed, period! If you want to talk about unfair, it's the fact that CSUN and Pepperdine aren't taking part in the Final 4 despite being better than PSU and OSU. Now that's unfair. The top four teams should make up the final four. I don't enjoy watching Siena and Florida Atlantic in the NCAA basketball tournament and I'm not looking forward to watching Ohio State in the volleyball tournament. The only positive is that it will be like getting to go to a UCI scrimmage, which I have never had a chance to watch. Of course, it won't be as competitive as if they were playing their second unit, but it will do. Holt, Dennis, Lipsitz, Price would def be AA's I guess now that you're up to six posts, you feel as though you have carte blanche to share such amazing wisdom. If they played in the MPSF, depending on the team, some of those guys might not even be starters. Holt is very good and would likely be first team All MPSF. Del Valle would be lucky to get honorable mention MPSF, because he's not up to par with Shoji, Watten, or Keohohou and he's about equal to Asuka, Lesserman, and Cervantes (when he's not injured). Lipsitz is also very good, and would be a good choice as second team all MPSF. As far as Price goes, he couldn't make the starting lineup at UCI or USC. He'd be a third pin option at Pepperdine, CSUN, Stanford, and UCLA. He'd probably only be a first option at UCSD, Pacific, or Hawai'i, meaning that if he went anywhere but those three schools, he'd never rack up the numbers need to get post season award consideration of any kind. Listen, we all have our passions for our teams and appreciate rooting for them. But ignorant comments built blindly on being a fan just don't fly here. PSU is a very solid program with an excellent head coach and a good pair of MBs. They are definitely in the top six or seven teams in the nation. But they are not a powerhouse as of this very minute. We'll know more by late Thursday night just how they compare now to the MPSF. Hopefully they come ready to play and put up a good fight against the fifth place team from the MPSF.
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Post by jt1265 on May 4, 2009 18:10:15 GMT -5
Call PSU the underdog, or whatever you would like...they will be ready to play come Thursday. They have high levels of experience and talent that the other 3 teams lack. PSU has been there and done it. Someone said it - if their passing holds up, they can not be stopped. Look out for Holt and Lipsitz to crush. They command a double commit, and then the other attackers will have a field day. I am so excited for PSU vs. USC - hopefully a great match! As a defending champ, they will definitely come ready to play. More so, as a Pavlik coached team they will come ready to play. That is going to be a great semi-final to watch, and it won't surprise me at all to see five very close sets with tons of lead changes. But as a few people have pointed out in this thread (and others), the impact of the altitude should prove interesting. When USC beat UCI on Thursday at sea level, they were dotting the end line with many of their serves. At Provo, they'll have to back off a bit, which takes away their number one strength at the moment. Against both UCI and Pepperdine, their serve was on fire and they benefited from several poorly passed and overpassed first balls. If they don't have their serve, then PSU is the winner. If USC can serve like they've been serving, PSU will be able to do a little more sight-seeing than they originally planned. "Second life?" What are you talking about? The top ranked team in the nation should get the top seed, period! If you want to talk about unfair, it's the fact that CSUN and Pepperdine aren't taking part in the Final 4 despite being better than PSU and OSU. Now that's unfair. The top four teams should make up the final four. I don't enjoy watching Siena and Florida Atlantic in the NCAA basketball tournament and I'm not looking forward to watching Ohio State in the volleyball tournament. The only positive is that it will be like getting to go to a UCI scrimmage, which I have never had a chance to watch. Of course, it won't be as competitive as if they were playing their second unit, but it will do. Holt, Dennis, Lipsitz, Price would def be AA's I guess now that you're up to six posts, you feel as though you have carte blanche to share such amazing wisdom. If they played in the MPSF, depending on the team, some of those guys might not even be starters. Holt is very good and would likely be first team All MPSF. Del Valle would be lucky to get honorable mention MPSF, because he's not up to par with Shoji, Watten, or Keohohou and he's about equal to Asuka, Lesserman, and Cervantes (when he's not injured). Lipsitz is also very good, and would be a good choice as second team all MPSF. As far as Price goes, he couldn't make the starting lineup at UCI or USC. He'd be a third pin option at Pepperdine, CSUN, Stanford, and UCLA. He'd probably only be a first option at UCSD, Pacific, or Hawai'i, meaning that if he went anywhere but those three schools, he'd never rack up the numbers need to get post season award consideration of any kind. Listen, we all have our passions for our teams and appreciate rooting for them. But ignorant comments built blindly on being a fan just don't fly here. PSU is a very solid program with an excellent head coach and a good pair of MBs. They are definitely in the top six or seven teams in the nation. But they are not a powerhouse as of this very minute. We'll know more by late Thursday night just how they compare now to the MPSF. Hopefully they come ready to play and put up a good fight against the fifth place team from the MPSF. idk what ur smokin
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2009 19:43:02 GMT -5
ucsdfan wrote:
Maybe some people simply disagree with your assessment. For example, I think you're incorrect when you say Del Valle would be lucky to get honorable mention MPSF. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right. I don't feel the need to characterize your post as ignorant. You obviously have strong beliefs, and you express them clearly. Why not leave it at that?
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Post by ucsdfan on May 4, 2009 21:29:43 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]idk[/glow] what ur smokin Hey now, don't short change yourself. I would assume there are lost of things you don't know. Maybe some people simply disagree with your assessment. For example, I think you're incorrect when you say Del Valle would be lucky to get honorable mention MPSF. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right. I don't feel the need to characterize your post as ignorant. You obviously have strong beliefs, and you express them clearly. Why not leave it at that? I completely agree with your point here, and try my best to express myself on this board according to your guidelines (and I'd say the guidelines of most level headed good folks). I would welcome a debate about Del Valle's statistics, game performances, etc... versus those of the six liberoes I named, although that would ultimately not prove anything. In the end, it's all hypothetical and makes for good board banter, but not much else. But a humble and logical response is warranted by the logical and humble post you typed in. Responding in kind is approapriate, and if I offended you in any way, it would bother me. Respectfully disagreeing is part of what makes this board so great. But, I feel as though the tone I took in my response to jt1265's post was also appropriate. In the end that doesn't matter either, because after Thursday, it's highly unlikely jt1265 will ever post here again.
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Post by 1221pch on May 4, 2009 21:39:27 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]idk[/glow] what ur smokin Hey now, don't short change yourself. I would assume there are lost of things you don't know. Maybe some people simply disagree with your assessment. For example, I think you're incorrect when you say Del Valle would be lucky to get honorable mention MPSF. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right. I don't feel the need to characterize your post as ignorant. You obviously have strong beliefs, and you express them clearly. Why not leave it at that? I completely agree with your point here, and try my best to express myself on this board according to your guidelines (and I'd say the guidelines of most level headed good folks). I would welcome a debate about Del Valle's statistics, game performances, etc... versus those of the six liberoes I named, although that would ultimately not prove anything. In the end, it's all hypothetical and makes for good board banter, but not much else. But a humble and logical response is warranted by the logical and humble post you typed in. Responding in kind is approapriate, and if I offended you in any way, it would bother me. Respectfully disagreeing is part of what makes this board so great. But, I feel as though the tone I took in my response to jt1265's post was also appropriate. In the end that doesn't matter either, because after Thursday, it's highly unlikely jt1265 will ever post here again. At least under that nom de plume.
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Post by jt1265 on May 4, 2009 21:52:37 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]idk[/glow] what ur smokin Hey now, don't short change yourself. I would assume there are lost of things you don't know. Maybe some people simply disagree with your assessment. For example, I think you're incorrect when you say Del Valle would be lucky to get honorable mention MPSF. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right. I don't feel the need to characterize your post as ignorant. You obviously have strong beliefs, and you express them clearly. Why not leave it at that? I completely agree with your point here, and try my best to express myself on this board according to your guidelines (and I'd say the guidelines of most level headed good folks). I would welcome a debate about Del Valle's statistics, game performances, etc... versus those of the six liberoes I named, although that would ultimately not prove anything. In the end, it's all hypothetical and makes for good board banter, but not much else. But a humble and logical response is warranted by the logical and humble post you typed in. Responding in kind is approapriate, and if I offended you in any way, it would bother me. Respectfully disagreeing is part of what makes this board so great. But, I feel as though the tone I took in my response to jt1265's post was also appropriate. In the end that doesn't matter either, because after Thursday, it's highly unlikely jt1265 will ever post here again. We'll talk Saturday at about 9pmEst....
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Post by lionsarm on May 4, 2009 23:16:42 GMT -5
putting your intellectual mettle on 7 or so young men to perform in competition in order to support your own argument...why don't you just make it and allow it to stand on its own merit regardless of how any team performs.
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Post by harveylipschitz on May 5, 2009 8:26:36 GMT -5
322 posts gives you zero credibility... it just means you like to hear yourself talk.
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Post by ucsdfan on May 5, 2009 11:47:27 GMT -5
At least under that nom de plume. So absolutely true. 322 posts gives you zero credibility... it just means you like to hear yourself talk. Sad, but true. Nevertheless, it is nice to trade banter with people who enjoy the game and have different perspectives to share. Most of the year, this board is a great resource for insights about players and coaches. CyberVB is the greatest poster on the planet, because he brings such a pool of information that I greatly appreciate. There are countless regulars that offer up great perspectives on the matches that I don't get to see. But whenever the championship comes around, the quality of posts drops. There are many people who log on just to drop some drive by incoherent scream that is absolutely pointless to the board or thread. Speaking of which, what exactly was the point of your post?
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