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Post by robonthemic on May 5, 2009 12:26:43 GMT -5
I enjoy reading the well thought out posts on vtalk that spark well thought out debates. What annoys me is when it becomes reduced to single-lined, mental garbage and/or disrespect to ANY vtalkers on here.
Sure we want to cheer for our teams, but do it in way that gives us insight to what you're thinking-- not a waste of characters and bandwith.
ucsd is one of the most respected posters giving valuable, neutral, statistical, strategic and insightful posts that analyze the entire game of volleyball. Sure he'll throw in his opinion, but when it comes down to it-- he backs it up-- and not with a text-message response of less than 30 characters.
As much as the talk has been, what other team deserves the #1 seeding besides UC Irvine? Look at it in light of that. Compare the losses and the quality of teams. And the most obvious is who finished the season at #1?
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Post by bunnywailer on May 5, 2009 12:28:25 GMT -5
You guys are all ignorant meaningless-stat-quoting retards.
The biggest factor affecting this year's NCAA men's championship is the fact that they are playing it in Provo. Why they allowed it to be played there is beyond me. The thin air and altitude pretty much negates the effectiveness of jump serving and serves as the great equalizer for all four teams. Whatever teams adjust the best to playing at altitude has the best chance to win it all. I would expect UCI and USC to know and have more knowledge on how to prepare since they play BYU @ Provo at least once every season. We'll see how the other teams adjust - I would expect Pavlik to know how to prepare as he's been in this business long enough to know. OSU I have no idea if they are prepping or not.
So quote all the dumb stats you want, all meaningless. If USC tries to go back and bomb jumpserves they way they did for the whole MPSF tournament at Irvine, they'll probably lose just on service errors alone. PSU is probably the biggest blocking team in the tournament, which could be an advantage for them, as blocking for points is virtually unaffected no matter if you play at sea level or 4000 feet.
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Post by bunnywailer on May 5, 2009 12:31:10 GMT -5
Hey ucsd, do you have to pay robert to be your #1 fanboy or is he gonna ask for "favors" or "happy endings" later on. LOL.
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Post by ucsdfan on May 5, 2009 12:41:17 GMT -5
You guys are all ignorant meaningless-stat-quoting retards. I don't quote stats, so I'd appreciate you referring to me as simply an ignorant meanignless retard in the future. The biggest factor affecting this year's NCAA men's championship is the fact that they are playing it in Provo. Why they allowed it to be played there is beyond me. The thin air and altitude pretty much negates the effectiveness of jump serving and serves as the great equalizer for all four teams. Whatever teams adjust the best to playing at altitude has the best chance to win it all. I would expect UCI and USC to know and have more knowledge on how to prepare since they play BYU @ Provo at least once every season. We'll see how the other teams adjust - I would expect Pavlik to know how to prepare as he's been in this business long enough to know. OSU I have no idea if they are prepping or not. So quote all the dumb stats you want, all meaningless. If USC tries to go back and bomb jumpserves they way they did for the whole MPSF tournament at Irvine, they'll probably lose just on service errors alone. PSU is probably the biggest blocking team in the tournament, which could be an advantage for them, as blocking for points is virtually unaffected no matter if you play at sea level or 4000 feet. Good point, not that it hasn't been brought up a few times already. Just to point out, only half of the MPSF teams play in Provo each year. UCI did their two game stopover quite recently, so they had the good fortune of getting to play there with their current starting unit. The downside is that they lost a game there, so perhaps they aren't as ready as they could be for the altitude. On the positive side for them, Wynne and Ammo have good float serves, so only Wilson, Clark, DuFault, and D'Amore need to to dial it down. USC is currently living by the serve, not only with pinpoint aces into gaps but more so rockets that randomly bounce off some cardboard cutout equivalent passing the ball. They lose a lot if they don't adjust. But look to Ciarelli to adapt and hit tape shots. How the others adjust will be seen. They didn't get to play there this season, so only Troy, Current, and Zahn have experience from playing there last season. Pavlik is way too smart of a coach to not have his team ready for the noise and the altitude. They have enough jump servers that they'll be impacted like everyone else (maybe not as much as USC, but they'll be affected too). I have to assume that they will be arriving in Provo today, so that they can have two full days to adjust. As for the fourth team in the tournament, they'll be in attendance.
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Post by robonthemic on May 5, 2009 13:10:26 GMT -5
Hey ucsd, do you have to pay robert to be your #1 fanboy or is he gonna ask for "favors" or "happy endings" later on. LOL. No payment, favors or happy endings needed. I'm pro-bono. Adjustment to the altitude will be the key. From the matches I've seen at Provo for teams who have been broadast on BYU-TV, usually the first night they'll be trying ever-so hard to nail their jumpers at the start of the match. Cal Baptist made the adjustment to their serve and it allowed their OPP to catch fire. CBU was down 2-0 and ended up taking the match 3-2. Irvine did the same on night #1 @ Provo and lost 3-1, to made the serving adjustment on night #2. Obviously teams that are well-coached will know this (resulting in 3/4 speed jumpers/hybrids/floaters) and it will come down to the ability to execute in-system and blocking/defense.
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Post by jt1265 on May 5, 2009 13:42:26 GMT -5
The teams will all make sure they are used to the conditions in Provo... before Thrusday's matches, each team would have practiced in BYU at least three times... If they prepare accordingly, (which I know PSU will) it wont be an issue.
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Post by harveylipschitz on May 5, 2009 13:56:54 GMT -5
jt, congratulations... you are 1 post away from being credible
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Post by jt1265 on May 5, 2009 13:59:32 GMT -5
jt, congratulations... you are 1 post away from being credible 10 post makes me credible? nice!
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Post by vballguy2001 on May 5, 2009 14:11:27 GMT -5
shouldn't it be the quality not the quantity of your posts that make you credible??? ha ha
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Post by notsocal2 on May 5, 2009 14:28:12 GMT -5
So anyone ready for predictions? I'll start with a UCI 3-0 (and take a slight over on the line of total OSU points reaching 70 - how about 73), and PSU 3-1 for the semis
Going into last weekend, I didn't think PSU had much of a chance, but with the dynamics within the mpsf, this tells me that UCI (and I guess Pepp or CSUN) weren't that far above the next group - and are human. And even though PSU is probably in the next group - they certainly have a chance. As for a winner, I'll make the gutsy call of UCI - regardless of what happens in the USC/PSU game.
Whose next?
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Post by jt1265 on May 5, 2009 14:55:13 GMT -5
I would say altitude or no altitude effects, Penn State will pass flawlessly making USC commit on PSU middles and opening the pins. And if USC adjust to block the pins, PSU will kill through the middle ... Penn State takes it in four.
UCI will beat OSU in 3 and in the final, will loose to penn state in four or five. The UCI PSU match will be a match of rallies.... alot of ups and downs.
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Post by jackmehoff on May 5, 2009 15:33:43 GMT -5
I predict PSU will take USC in 5 in one of the semis and then UCI crushing OSU in 3. In the final UCI in 4.
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Post by vblocker15 on May 5, 2009 16:58:39 GMT -5
Pavlik is way too smart of a coach to not have his team ready for the noise and the altitude. Sure they might be ready for the altitude, but i think what they will need to be most prepared for is the noise.... or should I say lack of? We gotta remember that we are in Provo, where the only D1 Men's Volleyball program in the state (and not to mention the surrounding ones too) will not be playing in this tournament, so we won't have 4000+ cougar fans showing up for a team that isn't theirs. Plus, school ended for BYU a couple weeks ago so most of the students are gonna be gone anyways. I see it being a lot more like Ohio State a couple years ago where the sound of a couple thousand fans got lost in an enormous waste of space.
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Post by encule on May 5, 2009 17:10:18 GMT -5
can anyone tell me what channel espnu is on directv???
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Post by bunnywailer on May 5, 2009 17:20:29 GMT -5
can anyone tell me what channel espnu is on directv??? Yes, anyone probably could.
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