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Post by redincolorado on Oct 24, 2010 1:45:55 GMT -5
It's going to be interesting to see how both move up/down in Mondays' AVCA poll.
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Post by Huskerhawk on Oct 24, 2010 9:16:12 GMT -5
Get em out of their gym and on the road, outside of their crappy conference and voila, they will lose. Really? Ask Nebraska and Iowa State about that. First weekend of the season? Really? You're hanging the number one ranking on that? Truth is their weak conference hurts them. Nothing they can do about that. Florida is a good team but they need a stronger conference to get them ready for the post season.
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Post by beachman on Oct 24, 2010 11:18:17 GMT -5
Put em in the PAC and they are no better than 4th or 5th....put em in the BW and they are no better than top 3, and perhaps not #1.......nice when you know that you can beat the opponent before you even walk into the gym!! Ditto for Hawaii.....no competition inside the conference and it hurts them every year at tournament time.....when was the last time either of these schools won an NCAA Championship? ?Never and and over 20 years ago?
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Post by maplespear on Oct 24, 2010 12:02:42 GMT -5
[/quote] As far as ranking is concerned, Florida has earned its top ranking and they should remain at the top until they lose, like it or not that is how they AVCA poll works.
Unless they lose, the Gators are the number 1 ranked team in the country, and rightfully so.
CAL has looked good thus far and should take over 2 in the polls come Monday.[/quote]
Staying consistent with your thought, Nebraska has earned its top ranking at number 2 until THEY lose. So no Cal should not move ahead of Nebraska since we are next in line. Third place is a different story.
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Post by BearClause on Oct 24, 2010 12:30:31 GMT -5
I cleaned up some of the context.... As far as ranking is concerned, Florida has earned its top ranking and they should remain at the top until they lose, like it or not that is how they AVCA poll works. Unless they lose, the Gators are the number 1 ranked team in the country, and rightfully so. CAL has looked good thus far and should take over 2 in the polls come Monday. Staying consistent with your thought, Nebraska has earned its top ranking at number 2 until THEY lose. So no Cal should not move ahead of Nebraska since we are next in line. Third place is a different story. If you look at the totality of the season, I think Cal's resume is at least as good as Nebraska's. Cal has 7 wins over teams in the current top 25. Three wins were over opponents who were in the top 10 this season. Of course the typical trend is that highly ranked teams keep their rankings if they win, but occasionally teams will leapfrog based on high-profile results. Those two 25-16 games taken over Stanford (on the road no less) are going to be in the minds of many poll voters, while I suspect that for most matches voters are generally only looking at 3-1. I fully expect that Cal will receive a few #1 votes in the Oct 25 AVCA Poll, and I frankly wouldn't be surprised if Cal ends up #2 on Monday. Stanford might even keep a few #1 votes. After this win, it sounds like there might be a chance that Cal ends up #1 in the Pablo ranking.
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Post by Thrill of the 'ville on Oct 24, 2010 12:35:45 GMT -5
Really? Ask Nebraska and Iowa State about that. First weekend of the season? Really? You're hanging the number one ranking on that? First weekend, mid-season, or post-season everyone should bring their A game...if you don't its your own fault. I'm not hanging the #1 ranking on anything. I've made it very clear on this board that I don't think Florida is playing like a #1 team. While there are other candidates for the spot, no one is really going out of their way currently to prove they should be the unanimous #1. I'll I was trying to show was that Florida is not as much of a pushover as you made them out to be. Are they beatable? Yes....but they also have a lot going for them and have championship potential...but so do a lot of other teams. That's why we don't crown a champion on paper or in October...we just let it all play out.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 24, 2010 12:35:56 GMT -5
Really? Ask Nebraska and Iowa State about that. First weekend of the season? Really? You're hanging the number one ranking on that? Truth is their weak conference hurts them. Nothing they can do about that. Florida is a good team but they need a stronger conference to get them ready for the post season. Why not, those matches count, doesn't it? Didn't Nebraska need 5 games to beat an injury depleted Illinois squad? I don't buy the "teams need a stronger conference to get them ready for the post season argument." It's not a theory that past tourney results support.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 24, 2010 12:40:13 GMT -5
Put em in the PAC and they are no better than 4th or 5th....put em in the BW and they are no better than top 3, and perhaps not #1.......nice when you know that you can beat the opponent before you even walk into the gym!! Ditto for Hawaii.....no competition inside the conference and it hurts them every year at tournament time.....when was the last time either of these schools won an NCAA Championship? ?Never and and over 20 years ago? Both Florida and Hawai'i would be undefeated in your "Big Joke" conference. It's silly to think otherwise. It's also hilarious to hear you make the same flawed comments about the WAC hurting Hawai'i in the tournament. Why don't you provide examples of that? I'll tell you why, you can't! When was the last time your 49ers made it past the first round of the NCAA's?
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 24, 2010 12:47:19 GMT -5
Staying consistent with your thought, Nebraska has earned its top ranking at number 2 until THEY lose. So no Cal should not move ahead of Nebraska since we are next in line. Third place is a different story. I don't have a problem with Nebraska at 2 in the polls but I do not believe that they will be number 2 on Monday. Bearclause touched on it in his post above. Cal will be getting first place votes, and that will push them ahead of Nebraska. The "you stay at the top until you lose" theory usually only applies to the team ranked at the top of the poll. Nebraska will probably be the most vulnerable top 5 team in the tourney.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Oct 24, 2010 14:25:33 GMT -5
Florida didn't back into the number one spot, they moved up to the top spot based on their performance relative to the performance of other teams in consideration. Florida beat Nebraska head to head, it doesn't matter if the victory was in August, it doesn't matter that the match went 5 games. What matters is that they beat Nebraska. No, other teams fell back below Florida after losing to lower-ranked, but quality, competition. Florida has not beaten any team of note since early September - they haven't done anything worthy of note since then and will not the rest of their season. They are at most #1 by default due to the weakness of their conference. The first of the two or three teams right below them to post a quality win over a top ten opponent will jump right over them.
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Post by maplespear on Oct 24, 2010 15:51:57 GMT -5
[/quote]Nebraska will probably be the most vulnerable top 5 team in the tourney. [/quote]
Disagree with ya on this one, our blocking is too strong this year, FYI, here's a list of top 5, plus other noteworthies. 1 Nebraska 64 17-1 50 308 3.19 2 California 61 17-1 36 312 3.15 3 Penn St. 64 15-4 23 345 3.05 4 Colorado St. 69 17-2 35 351 3.05 5 Dayton 68 16-3 15 382 3.03 11 Hawaii 22 Florida 38 Stanford
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Post by beachman on Oct 24, 2010 16:01:30 GMT -5
Put em in the PAC and they are no better than 4th or 5th....put em in the BW and they are no better than top 3, and perhaps not #1.......nice when you know that you can beat the opponent before you even walk into the gym!! Ditto for Hawaii.....no competition inside the conference and it hurts them every year at tournament time.....when was the last time either of these schools won an NCAA Championship? ?Never and and over 20 years ago? What always amuses me about UH fans is that they are the most self-centerd people on this board.....I never said that LBS was better than UH, and certainly I accept your level of superior success in the recent past. However, my comments about your %*$#ty conference still stand and the fact remains that you are ranked, consistently in the top 5-10 teams in the country and always talk about how 'this is our year' to win it all but like I said, when was the last time you won it all....your %*$#ty conference costs you, year in and year out, when it comes to winning. You play no one off the island and everyone who is good has to come to your house and play in front of your crowd. You ain't won a chanpionship is over 20 years and you aren't going to win one any time soon either! Getting out of the %*$#ty WAC would be the best thing that could happen to Wahine volleyball Both Florida and Hawai'i would be undefeated in your "Big Joke" conference. It's silly to think otherwise. It's also hilarious to hear you make the same flawed comments about the WAC hurting Hawai'i in the tournament. Why don't you provide examples of that? I'll tell you why, you can't! When was the last time your 49ers made it past the first round of the NCAA's?
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 24, 2010 16:06:50 GMT -5
Florida didn't back into the number one spot, they moved up to the top spot based on their performance relative to the performance of other teams in consideration. Florida beat Nebraska head to head, it doesn't matter if the victory was in August, it doesn't matter that the match went 5 games. What matters is that they beat Nebraska. No, other teams fell back below Florida after losing to lower-ranked, but quality, competition. Florida has not beaten any team of note since early September - they haven't done anything worthy of note since then and will not the rest of their season. They are at most #1 by default due to the weakness of their conference. The first of the two or three teams right below them to post a quality win over a top ten opponent will jump right over them. Florida beat both LSU and Tennessee in October, both teams are ranked in the AVCA poll. Florida was ranked 13th in the preseason poll, they are currently ranked number one, that is not by default. You say the SEC is weak but the Gators are 3-0 against the Big 12 with victories over Iowa State,Texas, and Nebraska, so what do those Florida victories against the best of the Big 12 say about the Big 12? It is likely that the Gators will stay at number one until they lose. That is just the way it works in the AVCA poll. The only team with the possibility of knocking them off at this point in the season is Cal. Give the Gators the respect they deserve.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 24, 2010 16:09:31 GMT -5
Disagree with ya on this one, our blocking is too strong this year, FYI, here's a list of top 5, plus other noteworthies. 1 Nebraska 64 17-1 50 308 3.19 2 California 61 17-1 36 312 3.15 3 Penn St. 64 15-4 23 345 3.05 4 Colorado St. 69 17-2 35 351 3.05 5 Dayton 68 16-3 15 382 3.03 11 Hawaii 22 Florida 38 Stanford Thanks for sharing your list but I stand by my original comments. The tourney will determine whether I am right or wrong.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 24, 2010 16:11:34 GMT -5
Beachman, learn how to use the quote function properly.
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