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Post by abugslife on Oct 16, 2011 12:49:53 GMT -5
That's why a yellow card IS a serious warning, and is used as the LAST warning to shut up, not the first warning to shut up. Unlike this rare occasion where the winning side in a lopsided 17-9 game receives a yellow card, yellow cards are usually given when coaches are in an intense game where even the slightest close call by a ref could potentially throw the game for one side or another. In such a situation, it can be understandable for a coach to fight for his team and want to argue till he's blue in the face because he knows just how important that point was; so the ref giving him a yellow card is the LAST warning to shut up, because the very next warning will be a red card penalty that may very well likely cause his team to lose that game without even getting to play another point. A yellow card is not serious a yellow/red is which would be used as a last warning. A yellow is a "coach I hear you, i have acknowledged I have heard you but you still want to keep running your mouth so I will shut you up". I disagree with you saying that a yellow card is usually given in an intense match. Yellows are given during any type of match. In intense matches the officials know that it is intense and respect that. Also it is not understandable for a coach to argue til he is blue in the face because he is wasting time not worrying about his team instead he is worrying about a call which, unless it is an interpretation will not change. Also a red card won't cause his team to lose the game without playing another point- not sure what sport you are watching, but a red isn't a "the whole match is forfeited card". It is a point and a sideout. At 17-9 it isn't causing the team to lose. If a coach gets a red it is more than likely he is out of control and won't stop.
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Post by BearClause on Oct 16, 2011 12:58:46 GMT -5
I disagree with you saying that a yellow card is usually given in an intense match. Yellows are given during any type of match. In intense matches the officials know that it is intense and respect that. Also it is not understandable for a coach to argue til he is blue in the face because he is wasting time not worrying about his team instead he is worrying about a call which, unless it is an interpretation will not change. The best I can reemember, I've seen a red card given out once. It was Nancy Somera when she was at Oregon State. No previous warning was given, but I think you'll understand when I describe the details. She was upset because she thought a opposing player should have been called for being in the net. She walked out onto the court, grabbed the net, and shook it. Red card came out immediately, and nobody was surprised.
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Post by chipNdink on Oct 16, 2011 13:00:08 GMT -5
That's why a yellow card IS a serious warning, and is used as the LAST warning to shut up, not the first warning to shut up. Unlike this rare occasion where the winning side in a lopsided 17-9 game receives a yellow card, yellow cards are usually given when coaches are in an intense game where even the slightest close call by a ref could potentially throw the game for one side or another. In such a situation, it can be understandable for a coach to fight for his team and want to argue till he's blue in the face because he knows just how important that point was; so the ref giving him a yellow card is the LAST warning to shut up, because the very next warning will be a red card penalty that may very well likely cause his team to lose that game without even getting to play another point. A yellow card is not serious a yellow/red is which would be used as a last warning. A yellow is a "coach I hear you, i have acknowledged I have heard you but you still want to keep running your mouth so I will shut you up". I disagree with you saying that a yellow card is usually given in an intense match. Yellows are given during any type of match. In intense matches the officials know that it is intense and respect that. Also it is not understandable for a coach to argue til he is blue in the face because he is wasting time not worrying about his team instead he is worrying about a call which, unless it is an interpretation will not change. Also a red card won't cause his team to lose the game without playing another point- not sure what sport you are watching, but a red isn't a "the whole match is forfeited card". It is a point and a sideout. At 17-9 it isn't causing the team to lose. If a coach gets a red it is more than likely he is out of control and won't stop. You obviously haven't read what I've said. I did not say yellow cards are only given in intense situations. I said yellow cards are usually given in intense situations, because the situation usually causes coaches or players to behave and argue more heatedly than normal, thus raising their level of bad conduct to warrant a yellow card. And those situations are usually when the game is tied at or near set or match point. That's why a ref has gauged his application of doling out yellow cards to the level of conduct during those intense situations. Then to be fair and unbiased, a ref should maintain that same level of conduct requirement throughout the match, not just at or near match point. That's why it's shocking, that the winning side in a lopsided match like 17-9 would ever behave in a manner to warrant a yellow card--unless you believe the ref was being unfair and being more loosely giving out yellow cards because the score was lopsided, when you think the ref would not have given out the yellow card if the score was tied near match point. If that were the case, then that ref is being unfair and wrong--I certainly hope that was not the case.
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Post by Keystonekid on Oct 16, 2011 13:09:41 GMT -5
I think I found the best example of the seriousness of a yellow card as it relates to collegiate activities and behavior.
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Post by chipNdink on Oct 16, 2011 13:18:54 GMT -5
I think I found the best example of the seriousness of a yellow card as it relates to collegiate activities and behavior. ... +1 funny. Funny movie too. ;D
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Post by Keystonekid on Oct 16, 2011 13:34:03 GMT -5
Saw a Bigten coach slam a clipboard on a bad call this year, no yellow card or vtalk criticism.
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Post by jayj79 on Oct 16, 2011 13:37:37 GMT -5
When Saint Louis was playing at UNI's early season tournament, they were late coming out from the lockerroom after break (which was only 3 min. for that match). The up official issued a yellow/red, which meant UNI started the third set up 1-0 before the ball had even been served.
Then this past Friday, when UNI was playing at Drake, the Drake coaches actually got two yellow cards (I think, I wasn't actually there, and am just going off the radio broadcast). The officials had called Drake on a rotation violation (and awarded a point to UNI, which meant UNI would then be serving for set-point). The Drake coaches then had a discussion with the down official (trying to explain their substitution pattern or something), but then after that, Drake called a timeout (even though they had already called 2 that set), which resulted in a yellow card (but no other sanctions).
Later on, the up official issued a yellow card after the Drake coaches argued about a line call.
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Post by BearClause on Oct 16, 2011 13:58:51 GMT -5
Someone mentioned a yellow for calling a timeout that a team didn't have. I thought the rules allow for a coach to ask the down ref how many timeouts they have. I know some coaches do this as a stalling tactic even though they know how many timeouts they have.
I thought I saw Jim McLaughlin call a timeout (clearly via hand signal) on Friday after he'd already called TO twice, but the down ref just ignored him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2011 14:09:36 GMT -5
The thing is, you'll have a hard time finding any consistency -- not just from ref to ref, but with one ref. I'm sure most refs don't like handing them out, but sometimes they are necessary just to keep the abuse from escalating.
Of course, you can also get yellows for delays, so you can't even see all yellow cards in the same light.
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Post by Keystonekid on Oct 16, 2011 14:10:05 GMT -5
When Saint Louis was playing at UNI's early season tournament, they were late coming out from the lockerroom after break (which was only 3 min. for that match). The up official issued a yellow/red, which meant UNI started the third set up 1-0 before the ball had even been served. Then this past Friday, when UNI was playing at Drake, the Drake coaches actually got two yellow cards (I think, I wasn't actually there, and am just going off the radio broadcast). The officials had called Drake on a rotation violation (and awarded a point to UNI, which meant UNI would then be serving for set-point). The Drake coaches then had a discussion with the down official (trying to explain their substitution pattern or something), but then after that, Drake called a timeout (even though they had already called 2 that set), which resulted in a yellow card (but no other sanctions). Later on, the up official issued a yellow card after the Drake coaches argued about a line call. Drake isnt that far from Lincoln, Cook clearly had to be involved.
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Post by rogero1 on Oct 16, 2011 14:20:45 GMT -5
Previously in women's NCAA play, any red & yellow cards together meant either an expulsion from the set or disqualification from the match without a point being awarded to the other team. The coaches felt that for a major violation like that, a point should be awarded because too many refs were copping out and ejecting coaches without making their team pay.
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Post by cyclonesbigfan on Oct 16, 2011 14:28:32 GMT -5
One of the reasons I love volleyball is the no contact aspect. It is what your team can do to deliver a ball to the opponents floor. It is not about how big you are, how strong, or in the end how intimidating. It is all about finesse. Brut force is a part of that, but we all know that hitting a ball with all your strength means nothing if it lands out of bounds.
Basketball, which I used to enjoy, is now about who can push who around to gain an advantage. Most of the finesse is gone. It started in the pros and filtered down to the college level and is now affecting the high school game. Sad.
Volleyball coaches are still, for the most part, still part of the finesse game. Most know that the refs don't decide matches, it's how well their team plays. Great coaches, and I've watched Christy Johnson-Lynch the most, get real excited if there is a blown call. They just know how to control themselves. And they want their team to know that if the ref is having a bad day, they will have to play just a little better.
I have no respect for the coaches who work the refs, and we all know some who do. It doesn't matter if they are winning or losing, they have let their feelings known. They detract from the game.
For you Husker fans, do realize that John Cook had the same reputation at Wisconsin? This is nothing new. He wasn't recruited because he was nice, he was successful. He is what he is.
I don't believe that his players love him. They love winning. And put up with it.
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Post by gobigred on Oct 16, 2011 14:31:55 GMT -5
I don't believe that his players love him. They love winning. And put up with it. Which current or previous Nebraska player told you this?
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Post by chipNdink on Oct 16, 2011 14:43:39 GMT -5
If you guys want to talk about Cook specifically, please start a separate thread.
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Post by austintatious on Oct 16, 2011 15:24:22 GMT -5
That's why a yellow card IS a serious warning, and is used as the LAST warning to shut up, not the first warning to shut up. Unlike this rare occasion where the winning side in a lopsided 17-9 game receives a yellow card, yellow cards are usually given when coaches are in an intense game where even the slightest close call by a ref could potentially throw the game for one side or another. In such a situation, it can be understandable for a coach to fight for his team and want to argue till he's blue in the face because he knows just how important that point was; so the ref giving him a yellow card is the LAST warning to shut up, because the very next warning will be a red card penalty that may very well likely cause his team to lose that game without even getting to play another point. Please do not referee any match I am involved in and if I am working the match do not be assigned to me as a partner until you learn the soft skills of officiating.
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