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Post by cyclonesbigfan on Oct 16, 2011 20:34:54 GMT -5
chipNdink, I appreciate this post and your thoughtful comments.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2011 20:38:14 GMT -5
i'd stop arguing if the ref would just admit that maybe just maybe he/she is having a bad night. I don't mind calls against my team, but consistency in calls and refs that are full-blown control freaks bug the snot out of me.
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Post by chipNdink on Oct 16, 2011 20:44:22 GMT -5
Thx cyclonesbigfan. I know people were unhappy with me hijacking the NE-Minn. thread with this topic, so I thought there might be enough interest for people wanting to discuss it in it's own thread. Obviously people disagree with my opinion, and they're more than welcome to express it here. I have no problem with people telling me I'm wrong, and stating the reasons why they think so. But it really irks me when there are those who's goal is to suppress someone from speaking.
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Post by gophergal on Oct 17, 2011 14:29:46 GMT -5
Why aren't yellow cards in the boxscore? I went to the match Saturday night at Williams Arena and still am not sure who got the yellow card and why. Are red cards in the boxscore? It seems like both cards should be because (1) it's information that's relevant to the game even if a point isn't scored, (2) it's information that fans are interested in, and (3) other sports record similar activities (hockey boxscores show penalties, basketball boxes show fouls) even if points don't result from the specific penalty or foul.
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Post by jayj79 on Oct 17, 2011 14:52:53 GMT -5
do soccer boxscores show yellow cards? I've never looked at a soccer boxscore, so I don't know
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Post by austintatious on Oct 17, 2011 18:09:26 GMT -5
Why aren't yellow cards in the boxscore? I went to the match Saturday night at Williams Arena and still am not sure who got the yellow card and why. Are red cards in the boxscore? It seems like both cards should be because (1) it's information that's relevant to the game even if a point isn't scored, (2) it's information that fans are interested in, and (3) other sports record similar activities (hockey boxscores show penalties, basketball boxes show fouls) even if points don't result from the specific penalty or foul. cards issued are usually listed right under the referee names.
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Post by rogero1 on Oct 17, 2011 21:16:47 GMT -5
Why aren't yellow cards in the boxscore? I went to the match Saturday night at Williams Arena and still am not sure who got the yellow card and why. Are red cards in the boxscore? It seems like both cards should be because (1) it's information that's relevant to the game even if a point isn't scored, (2) it's information that fans are interested in, and (3) other sports record similar activities (hockey boxscores show penalties, basketball boxes show fouls) even if points don't result from the specific penalty or foul. cards issued are usually listed right under the referee names. Most stats people will list the cards if they have the time or remember at the end of the match. Some less experienced staff are lucky just to balance out the appropriate totals.
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Post by abugslife on Oct 17, 2011 21:34:03 GMT -5
Why aren't yellow cards in the boxscore? I went to the match Saturday night at Williams Arena and still am not sure who got the yellow card and why. Are red cards in the boxscore? It seems like both cards should be because (1) it's information that's relevant to the game even if a point isn't scored, (2) it's information that fans are interested in, and (3) other sports record similar activities (hockey boxscores show penalties, basketball boxes show fouls) even if points don't result from the specific penalty or foul. cards issued are usually listed right under the referee names. Is that NCAA or international? I have never seen that before and I see a lot of box scores. Cards are not in the boxscores because the boxscores aren't for the fans, they are for the coaching staff.
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Post by cardinalvolleyball on Oct 18, 2011 1:00:01 GMT -5
oooo story time for Chip. So I was an assistant a few years ago at the NAIA level. Our passers were passing through the tape to our jump setter and the other teams middle was reaching over and swinging at the set; I know it was actually worse in person that you can imagine. The first time we got upset, the second time our coach went ballistic and got a yellow card for yelling at the up-ref through the point. The third time our setter sprained her wrist and had to come out. Needless to say our coach got thrown out for some of the verbage he used during the next exchange with the ref. another quick question Chip, so if a yellow card is so bad what about delay of game yellow cards? I average 1 a match in club
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Post by chipNdink on Oct 18, 2011 1:54:56 GMT -5
... another quick question Chip, so if a yellow card is so bad what about delay of game yellow cards? I average 1 a match in club Sounds like that's your M.O., and something you do almost intentionally. If I had to ref you fequently, and knew you regularly try to pull such delaying tactics, I would warn you before the match that I was aware of such attempts by you, and would be putting you on a tight stopwatch.
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Post by SaltNPepper on Oct 18, 2011 7:12:44 GMT -5
... another quick question Chip, so if a yellow card is so bad what about delay of game yellow cards? I average 1 a match in club Sounds like that's your M.O., and something you do almost intentionally. If I had to ref you fequently, and knew you regularly try to pull such delaying tactics, I would warn you before the match that I was aware of such attempts by you, and would be putting you on a tight stopwatch. And would you put the other coach on a tight stopwatch too (and warn him ahead of time) or would you have a different standard for each coach?
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Post by hebrooks87 on Oct 18, 2011 8:42:45 GMT -5
cards issued are usually listed right under the referee names. Is that NCAA or international? I have never seen that before and I see a lot of box scores. Cards are not in the boxscores because the boxscores aren't for the fans, they are for the coaching staff. I see them in boxscores, e.g. www.big12sports.com//ViewContent.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10410&CONTENT_ID=165315
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Post by hgvavolleyball on Oct 18, 2011 10:43:00 GMT -5
I agree we need to keep Volleyball held at a high level of regard. Not to lessen the severity of yellow cards. Keep the game to a higher standard. To many sports have gone down the path of loosening the rules.
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Post by Keystonekid on Oct 18, 2011 10:54:29 GMT -5
The yellow card portion is pre-filled out for the Oklahoma matches. Its as likely there will be a yellow card as there will be a kill, or dig. death, taxes.......
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Post by austintatious on Oct 18, 2011 11:41:24 GMT -5
... another quick question Chip, so if a yellow card is so bad what about delay of game yellow cards? I average 1 a match in club Sounds like that's your M.O., and something you do almost intentionally. If I had to ref you fequently, and knew you regularly try to pull such delaying tactics, I would warn you before the match that I was aware of such attempts by you, and would be putting you on a tight stopwatch. Experienced referees know you start each match a new, and on a level playing field. You don't warn coaches prior to the match for something that hasn't happened. You cannot assume that the coach gets a Delay warning on purpose. He may be passionate and not hear the whistle, he may have an R2 that doesn't actively encourage his team out to the court. In essence, you cannot assume, cannot legislate ethics or gamesmanship. I am sure you are probably a quite adequate recreational level official, but your philosophy would not get you many quality matches at the college level.
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