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Post by WI FIB on Oct 18, 2011 12:47:35 GMT -5
First warning yellow, second warning red and point penalty, third warning is automatic expulsion. The only time I remember a coach being expelled was for verbally abusing his own players. The down ref already warned him many times, and the up ref eventually had enough of his yelling at his own team and kicked him out, forcing the assistant coach to take over, who was much nicer to his players. Of course, this is only if they occur in the same set. Sanctions do not carry over in NCAA ball (with the exception of a second expulsion being a disqualification), so theoretically, a coach could receive 5 yellow card warnings without the opposition so much as getting a point.
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Post by gophergal on Oct 18, 2011 14:03:53 GMT -5
Thank you all for your responses. There was no yellow card listed on the boxscore on the University of MN site. Apparently that was a mistake. I do disagree with the assertion that the boxscores aren't for fans. Perhaps you meant the reams of other, more technical stats (passing scores, etc.)? Boxscores are the summary of the game and invaluable when discussing and debating during the post-match bar session!
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Post by chipNdink on Oct 18, 2011 14:55:08 GMT -5
Sounds like that's your M.O., and something you do almost intentionally. If I had to ref you fequently, and knew you regularly try to pull such delaying tactics, I would warn you before the match that I was aware of such attempts by you, and would be putting you on a tight stopwatch. Experienced referees know you start each match a new, and on a level playing field. You don't warn coaches prior to the match for something that hasn't happened. You cannot assume that the coach gets a Delay warning on purpose. He may be passionate and not hear the whistle, he may have an R2 that doesn't actively encourage his team out to the court. In essence, you cannot assume, cannot legislate ethics or gamesmanship. I am sure you are probably a quite adequate recreational level official, but your philosophy would not get you many quality matches at the college level. In club and amateur play, you often have the same players on the same teams playing against each other year in and year out. Some heated rivalries develop. One of the times I mentioned giving out a red card was for just such a case. The two teams had a long and bad history against each other, and had already gotten into fights on previous occasions. Knowing this, before the start of their match, I told the captains I would specifically be watching for ANY taunting across the net, and would not hesitate to immediately issue a yellow card at the slightest unsportsmanlike behavior, and would not hesitate to use a red card, and then expel anyone who continues to behave badly. They behaved pretty well initially, but when the scores got close and things got tense, I ended up issuing a yellow card immediately when one player yelled across the net after making a great block, when he complained loudly at getting the yellow card, I immediately pulled out the red card. There was not a peep from either team afterwards.
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Post by MyNameHere on Oct 18, 2011 17:17:42 GMT -5
i'd stop arguing if the ref would just admit that maybe just maybe he/she is having a bad night. I don't mind calls against my team, but consistency in calls and refs that are full-blown control freaks bug the snot out of me. This type of comment is a no-win proposition for an official. If the referee thinks they got the call correct, they're just waiting for the coach to speak their mind (hopefully respectfully) so everyone can move on. A referee isn't going to say "well, shucks, coach, maybe I'm just stinking it up tonight" because the coach disagrees with them once or twice. If the only two options are "ref admits they are having a bad night" and "ref is a control freak", it's no wonder there's tension between the two groups.
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