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Post by Voleibol!!!!!! on Sept 25, 2013 22:51:32 GMT -5
So a 10 team field this year? Who's getting the 7 AQs? I'm pretty sure that it's 6 AQ and 4 at large bids. I believe there is enough schools that have men's volleyball to get us to 10 but the NEAC is short a team therefore they will not be rewarded an AQ.
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Post by tmb on Sept 26, 2013 5:38:50 GMT -5
Did the NEAC have a bid last year? I think they need 7 teams to be awarded an AQ but if they fall below 7 they have 2 years to get back to seven before they lose it. If they are just starting and don't have 7 then you are right that they won't have an AQ.
I wonder what the NCAA does for a format and if it would be time to go to two full weekends? Have regionals the first weekend and then a final 4 or 6 site.
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Post by volleyball20102011 on Sept 26, 2013 9:10:20 GMT -5
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Post by noreaster on Sept 26, 2013 9:45:20 GMT -5
Wow, so the NEAC raided the UVC!?!
So the UVC is left with Bard, Stevens, NYU, New Paltz, and Vassar, which makes sense, and then Naz, MIT and Behrend which are a million miles away.
Behrend is 7 hours from the Hudson Valley teams and now the NEAC and CVC are much closer geographically. Bard is a geographic fit for the UVC but looking at the new UVC they can't reach the next rung on the latter and they have to realize that. So how long before the UVC needs to bring Springfield into the fold?
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Post by bbk on Sept 27, 2013 11:48:27 GMT -5
Funny how people expected these makeshift conferences to survive.
Many institutions want to play on level playing fields and if you look at the NEAC they are for the most part similar. They will also be able to get access to the NCAA championships which every institution desires. The CUNY, NECC, GNAC are also of similar scope.
The Skyline is a mix of private and public so uneven field. CVC Similar in scope but stretched beyond belief with Marymount to Thiel and UCSC to their Midwest brothers. UVC has a mix of private and public and stretched from Boston to Erie area of PA.
Now, most of these conferences play a set up where they travel to a school play neutral site conference matches multiple times a year. Many leagues divide who hosts from year to year so not to harm their conference structure.
Two more years and more shuffling will happen. With new teams on the horizon no one knows what the future holds including the person typing this.
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Post by showtime on Sept 27, 2013 14:10:50 GMT -5
The growth of the men's game at the D3 level has been great. Yes, the conferences will realign with more schools adding teams. It will make sense when that time comes. I'd love to see more schools in the midwest pick up the men's game. I know a couple schools in Wisconsin have added, how about having Oshkosh finally start up an NCAA program?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 20:51:17 GMT -5
Anyone know for sure what the tournament will look like this year?
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Post by libero3 on Sept 29, 2013 18:15:40 GMT -5
The growth of the men's game at the D3 level has been great. Yes, the conferences will realign with more schools adding teams. It will make sense when that time comes. I'd love to see more schools in the midwest pick up the men's game. I know a couple schools in Wisconsin have added, how about having Oshkosh finally start up an NCAA program? The only issue with Oshkosh adding the sport as an NCAA sport, it is my understanding that due to being a UW system school, it can not just add at one institution, all the D-3 schools in the state of Wisconsin would have to add. I could be wrong, but that was one reason I have heard in the past. If you have kept up with the WI state budget, and school funding over the past few years, this is not even close to happening
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2013 19:23:03 GMT -5
The growth of the men's game at the D3 level has been great. Yes, the conferences will realign with more schools adding teams. It will make sense when that time comes. I'd love to see more schools in the midwest pick up the men's game. I know a couple schools in Wisconsin have added, how about having Oshkosh finally start up an NCAA program? The only issue with Oshkosh adding the sport as an NCAA sport, it is my understanding that due to being a UW system school, it can not just add at one institution, all the D-3 schools in the state of Wisconsin would have to add. I could be wrong, but that was one reason I have heard in the past. If you have kept up with the WI state budget, and school funding over the past few years, this is not even close to happening Other states don't have this problem. Penn State has 26 campuses and only 3 offer MVB. Same with Rutgers 1/3. I don't have the exact numbers for SUNY schools but not all of them offer MVB.
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Post by vballpops on Sept 29, 2013 20:35:39 GMT -5
Funny how people expected these makeshift conferences to survive. Many institutions want to play on level playing fields and if you look at the NEAC they are for the most part similar. They will also be able to get access to the NCAA championships which every institution desires. The CUNY, NECC, GNAC are also of similar scope. The Skyline is a mix of private and public so uneven field. CVC Similar in scope but stretched beyond belief with Marymount to Thiel and UCSC to their Midwest brothers. UVC has a mix of private and public and stretched from Boston to Erie area of PA. Now, most of these conferences play a set up where they travel to a school play neutral site conference matches multiple times a year. Many leagues divide who hosts from year to year so not to harm their conference structure. Two more years and more shuffling will happen. With new teams on the horizon no one knows what the future holds including the person typing this. Not so sure USCS is still in the CVC. The conference home page shows the Slugs are no longer members. That would seem to mean Carthage has an absolute cake walk to first in their division. It looks like they beefed up their tournament schedule to make up for an awful conference schedule. I guess the slugs are going independent maybe?
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Post by TheReignman on Sept 29, 2013 20:59:00 GMT -5
Funny how people expected these makeshift conferences to survive. Many institutions want to play on level playing fields and if you look at the NEAC they are for the most part similar. They will also be able to get access to the NCAA championships which every institution desires. The CUNY, NECC, GNAC are also of similar scope. The Skyline is a mix of private and public so uneven field. CVC Similar in scope but stretched beyond belief with Marymount to Thiel and UCSC to their Midwest brothers. UVC has a mix of private and public and stretched from Boston to Erie area of PA. Now, most of these conferences play a set up where they travel to a school play neutral site conference matches multiple times a year. Many leagues divide who hosts from year to year so not to harm their conference structure. Two more years and more shuffling will happen. With new teams on the horizon no one knows what the future holds including the person typing this. Not so sure USCS is still in the CVC. The conference home page shows the Slugs are no longer members. That would seem to mean Carthage has an absolute cake walk to first in their division. It looks like they beefed up their tournament schedule to make up for an awful conference schedule. I guess the slugs are going independent maybe? Slugs have gone independent. Early projection of CVC West shows Lakeland being biggest threat to Carthage. But as of now, they will be strolling into CVC Tourney
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Post by goodforthesport on Oct 7, 2013 11:44:14 GMT -5
Wow, so the NEAC raided the UVC!?! So the UVC is left with Bard, Stevens, NYU, New Paltz, and Vassar, which makes sense, and then Naz, MIT and Behrend which are a million miles away. Behrend is 7 hours from the Hudson Valley teams and now the NEAC and CVC are much closer geographically. Bard is a geographic fit for the UVC but looking at the new UVC they can't reach the next rung on the latter and they have to realize that. So how long before the UVC needs to bring Springfield into the fold? What would be the advantage for Springfield to affiliate themselves. Considering their success during the transition from EIVA to DIII, I would think remaining the strong independent would suit them as long as they can get the matches they need. Behrend would benefit from looking to join another conference, yes. If the CVC grows, it would seem that would be a good fit considering their geographic location.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 16:14:51 GMT -5
I think any school has an advantage in being in a conference rather than an independent. Springfield has to have a good year and pray they get an at large. If they were in a conference they have a chance to get an AQ and if they don't get that they can still get an at large. Being in a conference gives you two chances to get into the tournament as opposed to being an independent and you're praying for an at large.
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Post by goodforthesport on Oct 9, 2013 10:43:12 GMT -5
I think any school has an advantage in being in a conference rather than an independent. Springfield has to have a good year and pray they get an at large. If they were in a conference they have a chance to get an AQ and if they don't get that they can still get an at large. Being in a conference gives you two chances to get into the tournament as opposed to being an independent and you're praying for an at large. Very true, but they made the choice early to stay independent and it has worked for them. They still seem to be hanging onto their past a bit and it may be helping with the recruiting efforts. There's a lot to consider here but certainly remaining independent is a risk. If they don't get in one year, their whole house of cards could come down.
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Post by noreaster on Oct 9, 2013 17:23:54 GMT -5
Made the choice to stay independent? Weren't MIT, Wentworth and Springfield gagging for a conference when this thing started to happen? Of course the other two have landed a spot but nobody wants Springfield in their conference... THAT is why they are an independent.
Springfield is complaining about the challenges of scheduling with no conference and no conference tournament. And BTW, with MIT getting invited to the UVC ball, Springfield's last D3 match is going to be 3 weeks before the NCAAs. It is nearly impossible to carry momentum from the season for 3 full weeks. If they don't "know" they are in the NCAAs they have to wait 2 weeks after their last countable match to find out if they play again, let alone who they need to prepare for. Nobody would volunteer for that.
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