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Post by jsn112 on Jan 20, 2014 16:17:28 GMT -5
I read stories like this all the time about unyielding coach, which I don't understand. This is high school coaching, not the military. I understand there must be discipline and all, but it is still a game in the end. A coach is like an extension of parenting. If parents should not be bullying or abuse their kids, why should a coach? For posters who are okay with abusive behavior of a coach, then I guess you're okay with the abusive behavior of a parent, right?
Not promoting passive parenting or anything like that because I believe in disciplinary action for out of control kids, but when disciplinary turns into abusiveness, it's not okay. If this coach sat this star libero out for one game, nobody would have a problem. But it sounds like he sat her out for unfair amount of games. This is her future after all, not like she was going to a movie or hanging out with her friends... In fact, he should have promoted his star player to credit his program even more. IMO, he did a bad PR job at the very least.
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Post by bags on Jan 20, 2014 16:24:32 GMT -5
I think all coaches should watch this
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Post by bags on Jan 20, 2014 16:25:22 GMT -5
"I have come to the frightening conclusion I am the decisive element on the court It is my personal approach that creates the climate It is my daily mood that makes the weather As a coach, I possess tremendous power to make a child's life miserable or joyous I can be a tool of torture or an instrument of inspiration I can humiliate or humor, hurt or heal. In all situations it is my response that decides whether a crisis will be escalated or de-escalated and a child humanized or dehumanized.”
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2014 18:51:10 GMT -5
I would think that if this was about inappropriate behavior that he would've been terminated quite a while ago. Otherwise, why allow the behavior to continue? You must not be Catholic. Nope. Coaching/teaching at a Catholic school cured me of any desire to be Catholic.
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Post by volleyfuntimes on Jan 20, 2014 19:12:07 GMT -5
"I have come to the frightening conclusion I am the decisive element on the court It is my personal approach that creates the climate It is my daily mood that makes the weather As a coach, I possess tremendous power to make a child's life miserable or joyous I can be a tool of torture or an instrument of inspiration I can humiliate or humor, hurt or heal. In all situations it is my response that decides whether a crisis will be escalated or de-escalated and a child humanized or dehumanized.” Excellent!
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Post by longhornfan on Jan 20, 2014 19:24:01 GMT -5
"I have come to the frightening conclusion I am the decisive element on the court It is my personal approach that creates the climate It is my daily mood that makes the weather As a coach, I possess tremendous power to make a child's life miserable or joyous I can be a tool of torture or an instrument of inspiration I can humiliate or humor, hurt or heal. In all situations it is my response that decides whether a crisis will be escalated or de-escalated and a child humanized or dehumanized.” Excellent! +2
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Post by vball54 on Jan 20, 2014 21:03:16 GMT -5
The coaches who do not understand this point or who do not agree with this point, will never accept the profound lasting impact that they have on their players. So coaches, what lasting impression do you want to leave?
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Post by dkh on Jan 21, 2014 0:40:55 GMT -5
If this coach sat this star libero out for one game, nobody would have a problem. But it sounds like he sat her out for unfair amount of games. This is her future after all, not like she was going to a movie or hanging out with her friends... In fact, he should have promoted his star player to credit his program even more. IMO, he did a bad PR job at the very least. In the past few years, the DS/L players on at Southlake will move forward to play at: Iowa State, Kansas State, LSU, Arkansas, Texas, and TCU. There is a lot of talent, so to crown one player as a star libero, might not be a fair assumption.
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Post by Garand on Jan 21, 2014 1:22:02 GMT -5
The coaches who do not understand this point or who do not agree with this point, will never accept the profound lasting impact that they have on their players. So coaches, what lasting impression do you want to leave? I think that many "intimidation style" coaches believe that they are toughening up their players by treating them roughly. Personally, not my style.
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Post by Socleanclean on Jan 21, 2014 11:41:58 GMT -5
Arthur was let go for one reason. He created a culture that the administration no longer wanted their school to reflect. We have seen this over the years in many successful programs on both ends of the spectrum. Barry Switzer created a culture of independence and freedom at Oklahoma. It worked great for several seasons and he won at the highest of levels. That culture eventually became excessive and as much as they loved their coach the administration no longer wanted their program to reflect that culture. Bobby Knight at Indiana created a culture of extreme discipline and hard work. It also worked great for several seasons, ending in multiple national championships. The problem with both situations is anytime you deal with excessive or extreme cultures, they will eventually become impossible to control. Arthur created this extreme culture. This is not a parent or player issue. This was a culture that the coach built that the administration grew tired of.
I for one think this style of coaching should completely go away. You can still stand by your beliefs and build discipline in your team without demeaning or screaming at you players. I hope more administrations will stand up to this style and say it is not what they want their program, in all sports, to be like.
If anyone has been around Arthur, as a coach, for any period of time knows that he deals in the extremes all of the time. He crossed the line so many times, he longer knows where the line is. I hope this gives him some prospective, but I doubt it will. He has a great volleyball mind but his actions and the culture he created has no place in sports.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jan 21, 2014 14:06:26 GMT -5
Of course, that he perhaps should have been fired due to his style of coaching doesn't mean that he was. Note that there are several comments to the initial article posted here from ex-players and ex-coaching associates who defend his coaching, while there are none, at least when I read through them, from such sources who condemn it. Was this decision a profile in courage, standing up to a "bully" coach, as some would seem to have it, or a weak-kneed administration buckling to pressure from a few influential boosters/parents?
This reminds me of the stock western movie plot where leading citizens convince the town's mayor to hire a tough "the law is the law" sheriff to get the rowdies under control, but turn against him when he insists on enforcing "the letter of the law" on them (and their own) as well.
Note that 48-2 was the most wins ever at the school.
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Post by Socleanclean on Jan 21, 2014 15:58:03 GMT -5
Many people came to Switzer and Knight's defense when they were let go. Both of them deserved to be let go. The administration at Southlake felt Arthur deserved to be let go as well.
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Post by abovethenet on Jan 21, 2014 16:17:23 GMT -5
First, I do not have a kid that has attended SLC and I am not related to anyone at SLC- as far as I know. However, I am familiar with many of the parties involved- on both sides. As an anonymous message board poster- especially with no VT credibility, I expect what I write to be taken with a grain of salt. Unless the SLC Administration comes out and publicly provides the reason for the dismissal the only thing people will believe is what they want to believe. I will say that I agree with lsvskp that culture was the reason- again that's just my opinion based on what I know. Sadly, there is a lot of wild speculation that is off-base and posters grab on to what fits their agenda. Now, keeping in mind I am just another anonymous message board poster and have as much credibility as anyone else who has posted on this thread, I offer up things to ponder:
1. In regards to the specific player and her parents that many have referenced as the reason for his firing, could it be possible she is done with vb at SLC and none of her younger siblings play vb? Would the school fire a coach to appease a single player or her parents that will no longer have any skin in the game or be tied to the program? Could one family be so powerful that they were able to single handedly have a coach removed after a 48-2 season- given they will no longer be part of the program? If so, then hopefully they will now focus on single handedly getting Obamacare repealed.
2. We all go through changes as we get older. Those that have followed the coach through the years, can you see any changes- whether you interpret them as good or bad. Has he changed physically (long hair?) or mentally (interaction with players?) from his Red Oak days until now?
3. Are the players who are speaking out in his defense primarily current players or those who played for him several years back?
4. Are you sure that the recruit did not have the okay from the coach to go on the visit with the understanding of the penalty that would be suffered? If so, was the penalty administered as agreed upon? Did other players also take visits? Could those be the actual parents who did the complaining? Was the punishment for all players who took visits the same?
5. Could three or four underclassmen- club players, some of which are high level- have quit the program after this past season but then returned to the program after the coach's dismissal? If so, could it be just because they changed their mind about wanting to play in front of friends and for their school or could it be another factor?
6. Would a school that prides itself on championships really fire one of the most successful high school coaches in the country simply on unfounded or invalid parent complaints? Should a win at all cost attitude trump anything else and termination only occur when the results on the court dictate?
7. Could a coach who has been terminated put his spin on the reason, whether he actually believes it or not, knowing the school would be unable to give their side given employment laws?
8. Could their actually be reasons for termination that no one other than the coach and a few school administrators know about and would not be revealed unless the coach chose to speak publicly about them?
Again, I was not in the room where the decisions were made, but I do know there is quite a bit of unfounded speculation in this thread. My post is simply to provide some things to think about based on my observations of the situation.
Sincerely, Another Anonymous Message Board Poster with an Opinion
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jan 21, 2014 17:31:11 GMT -5
To be fair, eight commenters to the article are ex-players, parents of ex-players, or ex-assistant coaches of his, all of whom praise him highly.
A total of four commenters accuse him of misbehavior as a coach, one saying they are the parent of a player who they say was mistreated.
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Post by Garand on Jan 21, 2014 17:55:13 GMT -5
First, I do not have a kid that has attended SLC and I am not related to anyone at SLC- as far as I know. However, I am familiar with many of the parties involved- on both sides. As an anonymous message board poster- especially with no VT credibility, I expect what I write to be taken with a grain of salt. Unless the SLC Administration comes out and publicly provides the reason for the dismissal the only thing people will believe is what they want to believe. I will say that I agree with lsvskp that culture was the reason- again that's just my opinion based on what I know. Sadly, there is a lot of wild speculation that is off-base and posters grab on to what fits their agenda. Now, keeping in mind I am just another anonymous message board poster and have as much credibility as anyone else who has posted on this thread, I offer up things to ponder: 1. In regards to the specific player and her parents that many have referenced as the reason for his firing, could it be possible she is done with vb at SLC and none of her younger siblings play vb? Would the school fire a coach to appease a single player or her parents that will no longer have any skin in the game or be tied to the program? Could one family be so powerful that they were able to single handedly have a coach removed after a 48-2 season- given they will no longer be part of the program? If so, then hopefully they will now focus on single handedly getting Obamacare repealed. 2. We all go through changes as we get older. Those that have followed the coach through the years, can you see any changes- whether you interpret them as good or bad. Has he changed physically (long hair?) or mentally (interaction with players?) from his Red Oak days until now? 3. Are the players who are speaking out in his defense primarily current players or those who played for him several years back? 4. Are you sure that the recruit did not have the okay from the coach to go on the visit with the understanding of the penalty that would be suffered? If so, was the penalty administered as agreed upon? Did other players also take visits? Could those be the actual parents who did the complaining? Was the punishment for all players who took visits the same? 5. Could three or four underclassmen- club players, some of which are high level- have quit the program after this past season but then returned to the program after the coach's dismissal? If so, could it be just because they changed their mind about wanting to play in front of friends and for their school or could it be another factor? 6. Would a school that prides itself on championships really fire one of the most successful high school coaches in the country simply on unfounded or invalid parent complaints? Should a win at all cost attitude trump anything else and termination only occur when the results on the court dictate? 7. Could a coach who has been terminated put his spin on the reason, whether he actually believes it or not, knowing the school would be unable to give their side given employment laws? 8. Could their actually be reasons for termination that no one other than the coach and a few school administrators know about and would not be revealed unless the coach chose to speak publicly about them? Again, I was not in the room where the decisions were made, but I do know there is quite a bit of unfounded speculation in this thread. My post is simply to provide some things to think about based on my observations of the situation. Sincerely, Another Anonymous Message Board Poster with an Opinion I especially like points 6, 7, & 8.
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