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Post by bigfan on Jan 26, 2014 16:28:29 GMT -5
. Parents be careful, be careful what you wish for. The new coach may be worse than what you complained about in the first place. It will be Karma if this thing back-fires. Who would want to replace a coach just went 48-2? Good luck on the coaching search. Maybe they should let the parents coach em up.
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Post by bigfan on Jan 26, 2014 16:33:09 GMT -5
His coaching methods have made DI college coaches look like child's play for my daughter. I guess I could thank him for that, not really though! The glass is half full in your estimation!
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Post by elevationvb on Jan 26, 2014 18:13:04 GMT -5
Is that anything like googling, "young teachers with underage kids?" Or, "Coaches behaving badly." I guess you can find anything you want on the internet. Actually, young people are "idiots" as we use the word colloquially. And that's why we coach and teach--our responsibility is to teach them how to be responsible, functioning citizens, parents, friends, etc. Young people ARE juvenile and irresponsible, pretty much always have been (at least adults have been saying so going back to the Greeks and Romans). The trick is to help them past that stage. I think that requires discipline and structure...but I don't think belittling them or insulting them is part of that. Yea, I hear that Bobby Knight has a new video for Coaches Behaving Badly. Infomercials around the clock on some satellite channels.
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Post by longhornfan on Jan 26, 2014 18:31:48 GMT -5
. Parents be careful, be careful what you wish for. The new coach may be worse than what you complained about in the first place. It will be Karma if this thing back-fires. Who would want to replace a coach just went 48-2? Good luck on the coaching search. Maybe they should let the parents coach em up. A blind hamster could have taken that particular team to the same record. As for Karma, it's already happened....he is gone. As for the coaching selection...I imagine there is standing room only for the candidates...as most potential coaches in the North Texas area know exactly what's happened during the past several years.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 20:31:06 GMT -5
I'm sure every college coach in the country can't wait to get an athlete from this school. Which athlete comes with baggage? Haha.
Nobody says exactly what he did wrong if anything. Be specific.
If they don't get that 'A' in college or that coveted internship or job, I'm sure mommy and daddy will be all over that.
The parents will complain about the next coach. Then about their college coach. It always happens. It is all about ME.
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Post by sevb on Jan 26, 2014 20:54:52 GMT -5
Is that anything like googling, "young teachers with underage kids?" Or, "Coaches behaving badly." I guess you can find anything you want on the internet. Actually, young people are "idiots" as we use the word colloquially. And that's why we coach and teach--our responsibility is to teach them how to be responsible, functioning citizens, parents, friends, etc. Young people ARE juvenile and irresponsible, pretty much always have been (at least adults have been saying so going back to the Greeks and Romans). The trick is to help them past that stage. I think that requires discipline and structure...but I don't think belittling them or insulting them is part of that. Most thrive, after an initial shock, from that discipline... But during that initial "that coach is so mean" moment they tend to vent to whomever will listen... And if enough are learning and venting to mom and dad... Well - we see how that played out... Another case of "affluenza"?
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Post by longtimefan on Jan 26, 2014 21:14:41 GMT -5
I have no connection to SLC, so I think I can be considered a neutral observer. My exposure to the coach in question is the result of my daughter's club team playing his team several times a number of years ago. He continually berated and publicly humiliated his players by calling them all sorts of names in a very loud manner throughout the competition. I never saw him give any encouragement to his players- just criticism. Most of the parents of opposing teams were amazed that he would treat his players in such a manner, but were even more amazed that his player's parents would actually pay him to harass and embarrass their daughters. My daughter's coach was the exact opposite. She expected a lot from her players and was frequently critical of their play - but almost always in private, quiet conversations on the sideline. She also had 6 of the 7 seniors on her team receive D1 scholarships. Assuming this coach hasn't changed his style since I last saw him, I would support SLC's decision.
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Post by elevationvb on Jan 26, 2014 22:18:10 GMT -5
I have no connection to SLC, so I think I can be considered a neutral observer. My exposure to the coach in question is the result of my daughter's club team playing his team several times a number of years ago. He continually berated and publicly humiliated his players by calling them all sorts of names in a very loud manner throughout the competition. I never saw him give any encouragement to his players- just criticism. Most of the parents of opposing teams were amazed that he would treat his players in such a manner, but were even more amazed that his player's parents would actually pay him to harass and embarrass their daughters. My daughter's coach was the exact opposite. She expected a lot from her players and was frequently critical of their play - but almost always in private, quiet conversations on the sideline. She also had 6 of the 7 seniors on her team receive D1 scholarships. Assuming this coach hasn't changed his style since I last saw him, I would support SLC's decision. You opinion doesn't matter - - you aren't a coach. Coaches know all, blah, blah, blah.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 7:53:08 GMT -5
... Nobody says exactly what he did wrong if anything. Be specific. ... People involved for the school are likely not allowed to comment at all on what happened without breaking the law. I suppose a better way of doing it may have been to wait until the contract-year was over and then not renew the contract.
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Post by sevb on Jan 27, 2014 8:12:26 GMT -5
My exposure to the coach in question is the result of my daughter's club team playing his team several times a number of years ago. If this doesn't raise a red flag... there are plenty of people willing to come on and be vague... but still no specifics... so until that happens... expect the coaches/educators on this site to circle the wagons. If that is NOT what you want - then perhaps you should post on prep volleyball. *The "you" used in the previous sentence is not directed solely at the poster that I quoted.
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Post by Socleanclean on Jan 27, 2014 16:01:16 GMT -5
"Yelling doesn't communicate. It's a whisper in somebodies ear. It's a pat on the back. It's a push at times. Whatever you need to do to communicate. It's not jamming someone against a wall. It's learning what you can and cannot say to each individual to get the best out of them." Mo Vaughn- MLB Baseball Player- Boston Red Sox.
Spoken from someone who really knows how culture can effect a team.
It is quite clear that this wasn't a culture that the administration wanted at their school. I have spoke with multiple players on the team and none said they were sad to see him go.
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Post by gigibear on Jan 27, 2014 17:01:35 GMT -5
As a former athlete and now parent, I too have witnessed poor behavior by coaches, bosses, co-workers, etc. Some people have poor relationship skills and either need to correct it or be asked to leave. If this Coach was not warned and penalized in a way commenserate with the behavior from the get, shame on the Board. For them to wait until now is ludicrious as it shows poor management at the top. Poison pill relates to players, parents, coaches....get rid of the poison and the patient will survive. The fact he got as many wins as he did is miraculous and speaks volumes of the character and ability of the girls. The girls could have sat out high school, especially the D1 talent who perhaps would like to focus on their studies in the tough junior and early senior season. But they played. Not familiar with the area but surely there had to be another viable school team in the area that top talent could elevate. Our recent season had a newly hired coach who played the favorite players (one talented the other two no), who screamed at, hollered and demoralized every kid. Two quit mid season, and the rest could not wait for the season to be over. We are holding our breath that their contract is cancelled but my kid is not waiting around to find out. Some of these girls are playing club ball and have blossomed into confident players thru the skills of a knowledgeable and tactful coach who is head coach at a highly rated high school team. Wonder what kind of teacher this Coach is. Sometimes when you've been doing something so long, you loose the love and just need to retire to savor quality time with the Mrs.
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Post by bigfan on Jan 27, 2014 21:17:28 GMT -5
Our recent season had a newly hired coach who played the favorite players (one talented the other two no), who screamed at, hollered and demoralized every kid. Two quit mid season, and the rest could not wait for the season to be over. Maybe you can hire this recent 48-2 coach
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Jan 28, 2014 13:24:26 GMT -5
If this Coach was not warned Who says he wasn't?
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jan 28, 2014 17:23:48 GMT -5
That he might justifiably have been fired for being a bully, of course, doesn't mean that he actually was. It is perhaps just as likely that he was fired due to thumbing his nose at at least one too many parents - and reveling in doing it. Generally, coaches with 48-2 records don't get fired because they are bullies, unless they cross the line into physical abuse or racial/gender disparagement. Just calling players "names" generally won't do it. 0n the other hand, coaches are frequently fired for not winning enough, even though they are well-spoken and treat everybody with courtesy.
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