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Post by rightcoast on May 11, 2014 14:06:16 GMT -5
Stealing, taking, earning, whatever you want to call it. East coast teams winning west coast bids allows average for undeserving east coast teams into nationals.
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Post by rhinovb14 on May 11, 2014 16:50:37 GMT -5
The east coast teams go the west tournaments to play better competition. If you don't want bids stolen then beat them and make them fight it out at east coasts.
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Post by vb01 on May 11, 2014 17:04:22 GMT -5
You guys are completely missing the point. The top East coast teams earn their bids in the West coast or Midwest, we can all agree to that. I certainly don't consider it "stealing." And I am sure that if it were possible, Midwest teams would compete in the East coast championships, unfortunately it's not possible due to state athletic association policy. They are in their high school season and can't compete on a club team while still in season. Like I stated earlier, there is not a lot of depth on the East so when the only good teams already have bids, the trickle down falls to sub-par teams that historically do not have good showings at Nationals. If anything the fault should fall to usav for sanctioning a qualifier during a time period when stronger teams are unable to attend.
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Post by rhinovb14 on May 11, 2014 18:44:47 GMT -5
What about the bid tournaments in jan? Can't they come to those?
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Post by rhinovb14 on May 11, 2014 18:47:11 GMT -5
If they came to the Rochester can am and York tourneys in jan/February they could get their bids....that would leave less trickle downs come May. Am I missing something here?
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Post by vb01 on May 11, 2014 19:22:09 GMT -5
If they came to the Rochester can am and York tourneys in jan/February they could get their bids....that would leave less trickle downs come May. Am I missing something here? You are, thanks for asking. What teams receive bids in Jan/Feb has no bearing on the fact that the only teams whose schedule allows them to participate in the May qualifier are weak comparatively (minus a few East coast 1's teams which we've already listed which also already received bids in Jan/Feb).
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Post by rhinovb14 on May 11, 2014 19:45:31 GMT -5
Why don't they come to the can am or York? It's not during their season. It's still a bid. Maybe the majority of east coast plays vball in fall? I know all of NY does. If that is the case, and I'm not sure, then it makes sense to have the east coast close to nationals to ramp up. Some good teams this year....especially 14s
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Post by rhinovb14 on May 11, 2014 19:48:41 GMT -5
I guess my point is that those teams could attend York or can am.....likely get a bid and force a more average team to fight at east coasts and probably play the more appropriate club division. Seems like that would create a more competitive tournament.
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Post by rhinovb14 on May 11, 2014 19:53:16 GMT -5
This years can am 14s finals was BRYC and Eden. Eden hadn't lost a set the whole tournament and lost to a good Braddock club. We declined our bid because parents had decided early on that nationals would be a no go. My point was that the can am is the same 4 teams in semis almost every year. I would think a good mid west team could snatch one up there....right?
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Post by eastcoastball on May 11, 2014 20:47:55 GMT -5
This dude knows whats up. ↑ Thats exactly what I was trying to say earlier.
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Post by vb01 on May 11, 2014 22:57:29 GMT -5
1. That's my bad... I thought we were talking about the East Coast Championship specifically. Maybe start another thread about Can-Am or North Eastern?
2. Good question regarding why Midwest teams or West coast teams don't travel to those. Here's the answer: money (read :stay-to-play, usav, cost of travel, etc) and yes, I realize that it costs just as much for East coast teams to travel as well, duh. Why do you think so many girls teams jumped on board with JVA/AAU? Nevermind, let's not start that again...
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Post by vbvet1 on May 12, 2014 2:29:50 GMT -5
The key is that a Midwest team would need to pass up on the competition and venue advantages of the BWVC in Chicago to go to the Can-Am which has only 3 bids and is a 2 day event. The older teams do attend the Nittany and often win. The younger teams could go to the NE Bid event, but it has been difficult to get to. In addition, they can go to St Louis in Feb which is much easier to attend.
However, none of the Illinois, Missouri, or California teams can participate at the East Coast Championships due to their high school season. Therefore, the teams that participate in that event do not have to face those teams which could force the trickledown past the allowed position and put those bids into at-large. The date of the EC is definitely an advantage to those teams that play in it.
On the girls side a Q is not allowed to be that late in the season.
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Post by rhinovb14 on May 12, 2014 5:30:53 GMT -5
I'm not disagreeing that the trickle down creates a watering down. I'm trying to point out that the ECC are at a time that helps the East gear up for nationals. We don't have the luxury of having a plethora of viable teams to fill the gap between the qualifiers and nationals. We struggle as is creating playing opportunities for pace, eden, etc.. During this time. We can't push it to June as that's when regents week are and the wrapping up of school.
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Post by rhinovb14 on May 12, 2014 5:32:26 GMT -5
I don't have answers but because not all boys teams play in the same season really seems to be the problem here.
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Post by rhinovb14 on May 12, 2014 5:33:57 GMT -5
And thank you vbvet for replying diplomatically and with respect. Not so much for some others on here.
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