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Post by bballnut90 on Jul 31, 2014 9:36:34 GMT -5
While Eckerman ( I hope I spelled that write) may not have a great all-around game, she has been one of the most dominant college players the last couple of years. Who say's you have to have great all-around skills to be a great player? You don't. Foluke didn't, Hooker didn't, Fawcett didn't....... they are collegiate legends. It simply doesn't matter "how" you impact, just that you do. Again....find a post of mine where I disagree with you but.....we are debating what makes a complete dominant player. Karch vs Steve Timmons is a great example. Do we revere a player with one great skill vs a player who has mastered every skill in volleyball and does all of those skills very well? ( Logan Tom-Jordan Larson) As a true fan Dorothy what do you admire? Most fans want the shock and awe of a big impressive blaster like Timmons who can rocket a ball into the third tier of stands off the floor. Someone however who truly understands the complexities of the game and how important all positions are, should know better. Nitpicking here, but Larson hit .258 as a senior and never hit above .300 for a season even with 4 First Team All-American hitters as teammates (Elmer/Stalls/Houghtelling/Pavan)....I think it's a stretch to say Larson mastered attacking.
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Post by MTC on Jul 31, 2014 10:31:34 GMT -5
Not if you are a Husker fan. They love their volleyball more than you realize.
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Post by holidayhusker on Jul 31, 2014 13:10:57 GMT -5
Again....find a post of mine where I disagree with you but.....we are debating what makes a complete dominant player. Karch vs Steve Timmons is a great example. Do we revere a player with one great skill vs a player who has mastered every skill in volleyball and does all of those skills very well? ( Logan Tom-Jordan Larson) As a true fan Dorothy what do you admire? Most fans want the shock and awe of a big impressive blaster like Timmons who can rocket a ball into the third tier of stands off the floor. Someone however who truly understands the complexities of the game and how important all positions are, should know better. Nitpicking here, but Larson hit .258 as a senior and never hit above .300 for a season even with 4 First Team All-American hitters as teammates (Elmer/Stalls/Houghtelling/Pavan)....I think it's a stretch to say Larson mastered attacking. I can't argue with that. I was referring to the player she has become. In college however she could take over a game as Washington found out with incredible passing, digging, lethal serving, blocking and her attacking if I remember correctly was getting the job done. Does Eckerman have all of those abilities? Am I nitpicking?
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Post by bballnut90 on Jul 31, 2014 13:24:28 GMT -5
Nitpicking here, but Larson hit .258 as a senior and never hit above .300 for a season even with 4 First Team All-American hitters as teammates (Elmer/Stalls/Houghtelling/Pavan)....I think it's a stretch to say Larson mastered attacking. I can't argue with that. I was referring to the player she has become. In college however she could take over a game as Washington found out with incredible passing, digging, lethal serving, blocking and her attacking if I remember correctly was getting the job done. Does Eckerman have all of those abilities? Am I nitpicking? Nope, and I don't think anybody here has claimed she does have all of those abilities.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 14:01:18 GMT -5
"Write. Good one." No one is saying that she doesn't impact matches. She does. That is evident. The thread is about the best players at each position. Just because Eckerman impacts matches means she's one of the best outside hitters in the nation? I disagree. I think her passing is a massive weakness for her team, and something that every opponent takes advantage of. She's a very good player and a very strong attacker, but if I was drafting a team, she wouldn't make my top two lefts. Others do not agree. Hell, she wouldn't have made my top seven last season (using my personal definition). I also think the discussion has changed as the definition of positions has changed as substitutions increased over the years. Just saying "outside hitter" doesn't mean "receiver/attacker" anymore. I'd submit if you didn't draft her among the top 4 OH's, you wouldn't make it as a GM. Rolfzen, Robinson, McClendon, Courtney, Vansant, and Burgess all would've made my team before Eckerman. You can have her. I'll take kids that know how to play the ball with their platforms.
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Post by pepperbrooks on Jul 31, 2014 14:04:57 GMT -5
I'd submit if you didn't draft her among the top 4 OH's, you wouldn't make it as a GM. Rolfzen, Robinson, McClendon, Courtney, Vansant, and Burgess all would've made my team before Eckerman. You can have her. I'll take kids that know how to play the ball with their platforms. Eh, I'll take Eckerman over Courtney and Rolfzen. I can play someone else backcourt if I need to. Eckerman's less streaky than Courtney, who all but disappeared at times last year, and more blocking and terminating prowess than Rolfzen. Burgess is just OK. I'm not blown away by her. She's just good. The others, yes, I'd take them first.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 14:34:54 GMT -5
Rolfzen, Robinson, McClendon, Courtney, Vansant, and Burgess all would've made my team before Eckerman. You can have her. I'll take kids that know how to play the ball with their platforms. Eh, I'll take Eckerman over Courtney and Rolfzen. I can play someone else backcourt if I need to. Eckerman's less streaky than Courtney, who all but disappeared at times last year, and more blocking and terminating prowess than Rolfzen. Burgess is just OK. I'm not blown away by her. She's just good. The others, yes, I'd take them first. More terminating prowess than Rolfzen? I don't know about that. Rolfzen was pretty outstanding in the last month or so of the regular season, and she put up her numbers in the B1G as a freshman.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jul 31, 2014 14:47:55 GMT -5
I'd submit if you didn't draft her among the top 4 OH's, you wouldn't make it as a GM. Rolfzen, Robinson, McClendon, Courtney, Vansant, and Burgess all would've made my team before Eckerman. You can have her. I'll take kids that know how to play the ball with their platforms. So you wouldn't have taken Fawcett?
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jul 31, 2014 14:52:31 GMT -5
Eh, I'll take Eckerman over Courtney and Rolfzen. I can play someone else backcourt if I need to. Eckerman's less streaky than Courtney, who all but disappeared at times last year, and more blocking and terminating prowess than Rolfzen. Burgess is just OK. I'm not blown away by her. She's just good. The others, yes, I'd take them first. More terminating prowess than Rolfzen? I don't know about that. Rolfzen was pretty outstanding in the last month or so of the regular season, and she put up her numbers in the B1G as a freshman. I agree Eckerman was a better finisher than Rolfzen, also agree Rolfzen narrowed that gap as the season progressed. As fat as the passing defending, that's all an issue that relates to the other players at your disposal. You would play Courtney and Deja over Fawcett because the have better first touch skills? All things being equal of course you would prefer someone who could do other things as well. Heck I think Carlini sets the ball better than Micha but I wouldn't pick her right now over her. (That is an example, doesn't need debated )
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 15:04:54 GMT -5
More terminating prowess than Rolfzen? I don't know about that. Rolfzen was pretty outstanding in the last month or so of the regular season, and she put up her numbers in the B1G as a freshman. I agree Eckerman was a better finisher than Rolfzen, also agree Rolfzen narrowed that gap as the season progressed. As fat as the passing defending, that's all an issue that relates to the other players at your disposal. You would play Courtney and Deja over Fawcett because the have better first touch skills? All things being equal of course you would prefer someone who could do other things as well. Heck I think Carlini sets the ball better than Micha but I wouldn't pick her right now over her. (That is an example, doesn't need debated ) Then don't bring it up. You're just obsessed with Micha's serve. You weren't singing the same tune before the Final Four. And no, I'd take Fawcett because she at least had decent first touch skills. I wouldn't even use "decent" to describe Eckerman's platform. Eckerman <<< Fawcett. Not even close.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jul 31, 2014 15:08:28 GMT -5
I agree Eckerman was a better finisher than Rolfzen, also agree Rolfzen narrowed that gap as the season progressed. As fat as the passing defending, that's all an issue that relates to the other players at your disposal. You would play Courtney and Deja over Fawcett because the have better first touch skills? All things being equal of course you would prefer someone who could do other things as well. Heck I think Carlini sets the ball better than Micha but I wouldn't pick her right now over her. (That is an example, doesn't need debated ) Then don't bring it up. You're just obsessed with Micha's serve. You weren't singing the same tune before the Final Four. And no, I'd take Fawcett because she at least had decent first touch skills. I wouldn't even use "decent" to describe Eckerman's platform. Eckerman <<< Fawcett. Not even close. Did you just accuse someone of being obsessed with a player?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 15:44:46 GMT -5
Then don't bring it up. You're just obsessed with Micha's serve. You weren't singing the same tune before the Final Four. And no, I'd take Fawcett because she at least had decent first touch skills. I wouldn't even use "decent" to describe Eckerman's platform. Eckerman <<< Fawcett. Not even close. Did you just accuse someone of being obsessed with a player? Touché. But no, I said her serve.
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Post by pepperbrooks on Jul 31, 2014 15:54:38 GMT -5
Did you just accuse someone of being obsessed with a player? Touché. But no, I said her serve. Judges? Nope, sorry pelcj11. That answer is not accepted.
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