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Post by volleyguy on Aug 1, 2014 17:31:40 GMT -5
Did you see the passing and digging today? good or bad passing, it does not seem to matter. For some unknown reasons, Glass can't seem to connect with the middles even with Foluke and them have played together before. If it was Adams or Gibby out there, then we can make excuses. Maybe time for a new setter or something must be done. It has happened with Harmotto too. Foluke had 13 kills on 24 attempts, and Adams 4 kills on 8 attempts. The middle "connection" wasn't even in the top 5 of problems today.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 1, 2014 17:43:44 GMT -5
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Post by stull90210 on Aug 1, 2014 19:10:50 GMT -5
This match made Kim Hill look like a pretty good option for the 2nd OH spot in comparison to Kristin Hildebrand and Kelsey. But that's not saying much... Is it just me, or is it that at the beginning of every tournament/series of games Kim Hill always plays well but then by the end she plays very poorly/weak (ex. Montreux, USA VBall Cup). Let's hope she continues to play somewhat steady for the rest of the WGP
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Post by jasonr on Aug 1, 2014 19:35:09 GMT -5
This match made Kim Hill look like a pretty good option for the 2nd OH spot in comparison to Kristin Hildebrand and Kelsey. But that's not saying much... Is it just me, or is it that at the beginning of every tournament/series of games Kim Hill always plays well but then by the end she plays very poorly/weak (ex. Montreux, USA VBall Cup). Let's hope she continues to play somewhat steady for the rest of the WGP It's not you. She doesn't hold up well to the tourney grind. I also have reservations about her general passivity. I can't envision her stepping up in a critical match and helping carry the load if some of the other starters are having an off night. She's a nice all-around player, but if she's on the Rio roster, we're probably in for a long tourney. My hope is that Robinson continues to develop quickly, Hodge makes a successful come back to her pre-London level (she'll never be great passing, but she can get hot offensively in a hurry), or maybe Hooker can come back to the team and possibly play on the left side if Murphy can prove she's a worthy Olympic starter. One thing is for sure, among the many issues in this match, it showed we need Larson on the court. We also need Glass to connect with Foluke (and eventually Harmotto) as well. The rest will hopefully sort itself out over time.
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Post by Longhorn20 on Aug 1, 2014 22:05:31 GMT -5
Is it just me, or is it that at the beginning of every tournament/series of games Kim Hill always plays well but then by the end she plays very poorly/weak (ex. Montreux, USA VBall Cup). Let's hope she continues to play somewhat steady for the rest of the WGP It's not you. She doesn't hold up well to the tourney grind. I also have reservations about her general passivity. I can't envision her stepping up in a critical match and helping carry the load if some of the other starters are having an off night. She's a nice all-around player, but if she's on the Rio roster, we're probably in for a long tourney. My hope is that Robinson continues to develop quickly, Hodge makes a successful come back to her pre-London level (she'll never be great passing, but she can get hot offensively in a hurry), or maybe Hooker can come back to the team and possibly play on the left side if Murphy can prove she's a worthy Olympic starter. One thing is for sure, among the many issues in this match, it showed we need Larson on the court. We also need Glass to connect with Foluke (and eventually Harmotto) as well. The rest will hopefully sort itself out over time. I wish Hooker's passing was good enough to move her to the left. She would dominate like no other! But unless passing is all she has been working on since coming back, I don't see that happening.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Aug 1, 2014 22:15:13 GMT -5
It's not you. She doesn't hold up well to the tourney grind. I also have reservations about her general passivity. I can't envision her stepping up in a critical match and helping carry the load if some of the other starters are having an off night. She's a nice all-around player, but if she's on the Rio roster, we're probably in for a long tourney. My hope is that Robinson continues to develop quickly, Hodge makes a successful come back to her pre-London level (she'll never be great passing, but she can get hot offensively in a hurry), or maybe Hooker can come back to the team and possibly play on the left side if Murphy can prove she's a worthy Olympic starter. One thing is for sure, among the many issues in this match, it showed we need Larson on the court. We also need Glass to connect with Foluke (and eventually Harmotto) as well. The rest will hopefully sort itself out over time. I wish Hooker's passing was good enough to move her to the left. She would dominate like no other! But unless passing is all she has been working on since coming back, I don't see that happening. Hooker needs to focus on getting back on the team before she focuses on passing
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Post by vbman100 on Aug 1, 2014 22:27:55 GMT -5
I just watched the match for the second time and took stats because I could not understand the discrepancy between the FIVB and DataVolley numbers.
Some examples - FIVB has 10 aces for Russia, DV has 3. Correct answer is - 3. FIVB has 15 recept for Banwarth, 13 PP. DV has 11, 9 PP. Correct answer is 16, 11 PP (according to my judgment) FIVB has 16PP/25 rec for Robinson, DV has 18PP/32 rec. I counted 18/31. FIVB has 17PP/28 rec for Hill with 2 errors. DV has 14 PP/26 with 1 error. I counted 16/26, 1 error. Both had Hill with 30 or 29 attempts, I counted 37. Maybe I was wrong but I think I counted right. FIVB has Davis with 4PP/5 (Ha!) and DV has 1PP/4. I have 1PP/5. And FIVB has Glass with a recept. DV has Glass with a recept and Adams with a recept. I don't recall either one having a rec. Maybe Glass got credit for the RUS rotation error in Set 1. And minor differences between each stat report of an attempt or 2, or an error or kill 1 way or the other.
I don't think we can rely on stats from either crew to help determine much of anything if we want to use that as a basis for our reasoning. Somewhat disappointing.
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Post by midnightblue on Aug 1, 2014 23:02:46 GMT -5
My take-away: 1. This system.. I just don't get it. It comes up great half the points in a set (if we're lucky)... the other half it seems like we're just trying to hold it all together and see what happens. 2. Karch MUST MUST MUST find a way to get Foluke a good, consistent, hittable ball. She's TOO GOOD to have her try to make do with garbage. She is a weapon and is being under-utilized IMO, esp in short sets behind the setter (but I understand that that isn't GM2 apparently blah blah blah). 3. TIPS??!?!?! 4. We don't have a sure fire terminator on the team (Foluke is the closest but see #2) 5. Murphy played poorly, especially defensively.. she didn't seem like herself today. I expect a better showing tomorrow vs. Turkey. 6. For those of you who were so UP on USA in the USACup x Brazil.. I hope you watched their match vs. China. THAT is Brazil. In the US Brazil was on a trip to see where they stood in their training. They saw. They were disappointed. Their entire attitude is different and it only takes the eye test to see as much.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 23:25:17 GMT -5
My take-away: 1. This system.. I just don't get it. It comes up great half the points in a set (if we're lucky)... the other half it seems like we're just trying to hold it all together and see what happens. 2. Karch MUST MUST MUST find a way to get Foluke a good, consistent, hittable ball. She's TOO GOOD to have her try to make do with garbage. She is a weapon and is being under-utilized IMO, esp in short sets behind the setter (but I understand that that isn't GM2 apparently blah blah blah). 3. TIPS??!?!?! 4. We don't have a sure fire terminator on the team (Foluke is the closest but see #2) 5. Murphy played poorly, especially defensively.. she didn't seem like herself today. I expect a better showing tomorrow vs. Turkey. 6. For those of you who were so UP on USA in the USACup x Brazil.. I hope you watched their match vs. China. THAT is Brazil. In the US Brazil was on a trip to see where they stood in their training. They saw. They were disappointed. Their entire attitude is different and it only takes the eye test to see as much. 1. Totally agree. I think one takeaway from London could have been to speed up in system sets to our leftsides, but this whole new offense just seems to be messy. We have solid passing. Our setter should have a lot of options. If we had a team full of Kim Hills I could see this system being necessary because this seems to be the only way she is effective but we have solid enough players not to have to freak out about middles getting to the outsides. 2. +1. 3. +1. 4. I would argue Larson is filling that roll too (see her season in Kazan or game 1 of the USA Volleyball Cup). Murphy also can usually terminate. But yeah, Harmotto and Foluke are too good not to be getting set a lot.
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 1, 2014 23:30:39 GMT -5
My take-away: 2. Karch MUST MUST MUST find a way to get Foluke a good, consistent, hittable ball. She's TOO GOOD to have her try to make do with garbage. She is a weapon and is being under-utilized IMO, esp in short sets behind the setter (but I understand that that isn't GM2 apparently blah blah blah). What's up with this Foluke connection nonsense? I re-watched the match and the number of questionable sets to her were minimal. She got blocked on one tight set against a solo blocker because the blocker guessed line correctly and she hit the ball out 2 or 3 times, which really didn't have to do with the set. She had 14 kills and 17 points from the middle. Glass might have set her more, but Foluke wasn't the problem. Klineman had three sets in the backrow that were horrendous. If there were better production and especially termination from the outsides, there would be no issue with Foluke's performance imo. 6. For those of you who were so UP on USA in the USACup x Brazil.. I hope you watched their match vs. China. THAT is Brazil. In the US Brazil was on a trip to see where they stood in their training. They saw. They were disappointed. Their entire attitude is different and it only takes the eye test to see as much. Preach it, Brother! from the Choir
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Post by fernandom on Aug 1, 2014 23:32:11 GMT -5
I agree with your statement. US team has to reconsider all the strategic. USA CUP was just a training for the team and it should be take just like that, everyone in good sanity could notice Brazilian weren't that serious, they were just on vacation... and going shopping etc. By the Way, US is on top 4 teams in the world right now, joining China, Russia and Brazil... the main target by now is Russia and Brazil. Middle Blockers are the secret. In today Brazil x China, MB Thaisa and Fabiana scored together 34 points... Maybe some good job on the middle would help a lot. My take-away: 1. This system.. I just don't get it. It comes up great half the points in a set (if we're lucky)... the other half it seems like we're just trying to hold it all together and see what happens. 2. Karch MUST MUST MUST find a way to get Foluke a good, consistent, hittable ball. She's TOO GOOD to have her try to make do with garbage. She is a weapon and is being under-utilized IMO, esp in short sets behind the setter (but I understand that that isn't GM2 apparently blah blah blah). 3. TIPS??!?!?! 4. We don't have a sure fire terminator on the team (Foluke is the closest but see #2) 5. Murphy played poorly, especially defensively.. she didn't seem like herself today. I expect a better showing tomorrow vs. Turkey. 6. For those of you who were so UP on USA in the USACup x Brazil.. I hope you watched their match vs. China. THAT is Brazil. In the US Brazil was on a trip to see where they stood in their training. They saw. They were disappointed. Their entire attitude is different and it only takes the eye test to see as much.
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Post by truthandjustice on Aug 1, 2014 23:46:49 GMT -5
Want some truth?
Karch has cut the strong personalities on the team. What he has left is a team of yes women. And while some of you may say, they are supposed to be yes women, the fact is that there is very little actual fire on this team. Karch has made sure that he is the MAIN MAN, after all he is the King...
Hugh was just a great manager. He could take the women with extra large egos and get them to focus that inner diva on the other team. There were instances of diva leakage, but for the most part he was able to channel that energy into competing. Do not look for Destinee or Logan to come back, they won't be there in Rio.
Karch is kind of a quirky dude that doesnt like personality conflicts, it makes him feel awkward. He is used to everyone in the world of volleyball doing what he wants without question. He has yet to realize what he has done......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 23:51:51 GMT -5
Want some truth? Karch has cut the strong personalities on the team. What he has left is a team of yes women. And while some of you may say, they are supposed to be yes women, the fact is that there is very little actual fire on this team. Karch has made sure that he is the MAIN MAN, after all he is the King... Hugh was just a great manager. He could take the women which extra large egos and get them to focus that inner diva on the other team. There were instances of diva leakage, but for the most part he was able to channel that energy into competing. Do not look for Destinee or Logan to come back, they won't be there in Rio. Karch is kind of a quirky dude that doesnt like personality conflicts, it makes him feel awkward. He is used to everyone in the world of volleyball doing what he wants without question. He has yet to realize what he has done...... ... what? Also, Logan has a "diva" personality?
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 1, 2014 23:55:53 GMT -5
Want some truth? Karch has cut the strong personalities on the team. What he has left is a team of yes women. And while some of you may say, they are supposed to be yes women, the fact is that there is very little actual fire on this team. Karch has made sure that he is the MAIN MAN, after all he is the King... Hugh was just a great manager. He could take the women which extra large egos and get them to focus that inner diva on the other team. There were instances of diva leakage, but for the most part he was able to channel that energy into competing. Do not look for Destinee or Logan to come back, they won't be there in Rio. Karch is kind of a quirky dude that doesnt like personality conflicts, it makes him feel awkward. He is used to everyone in the world of volleyball doing what he wants without question. He has yet to realize what he has done...... Aw Shucks! You may have become my new favorite poster.
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Post by Longhorn20 on Aug 2, 2014 0:02:47 GMT -5
I wish Hooker's passing was good enough to move her to the left. She would dominate like no other! But unless passing is all she has been working on since coming back, I don't see that happening. Hooker needs to focus on getting back on the team before she focuses on passing Haha very true.
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