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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 0:26:16 GMT -5
Want some truth? Karch has cut the strong personalities on the team. What he has left is a team of yes women. And while some of you may say, they are supposed to be yes women, the fact is that there is very little actual fire on this team. Karch has made sure that he is the MAIN MAN, after all he is the King... Hugh was just a great manager. He could take the women which extra large egos and get them to focus that inner diva on the other team. There were instances of diva leakage, but for the most part he was able to channel that energy into competing. Do not look for Destinee or Logan to come back, they won't be there in Rio. Karch is kind of a quirky dude that doesnt like personality conflicts, it makes him feel awkward. He is used to everyone in the world of volleyball doing what he wants without question. He has yet to realize what he has done...... Aw Shucks! You may have become my new favorite poster. "Diva leakage" is my new least favorite phrase.
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 2, 2014 1:11:51 GMT -5
I don't entirely agree with the characterizations of Hugh's ability to "channel" the players inner anything. He was a good operational manager who set parameters and expectations, and handled conflict by not dealing directly with it, ignoring it, or frankly, being a little misleading about it (ask Alisha Glass about that one). But he was pretty good about not letting his personal discomforts alter his decision-making process. Karch on the other hand exudes discomfort and awkwardness. The idea of creating a new "culture" for USA Volleyball can be a slippery slope, particularly if it relies on moral or character judgements.
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Post by kokyu on Aug 2, 2014 1:15:43 GMT -5
No replay link?
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Post by ballervolley on Aug 2, 2014 1:26:57 GMT -5
Want some truth? Karch has cut the strong personalities on the team. What he has left is a team of yes women. And while some of you may say, they are supposed to be yes women, the fact is that there is very little actual fire on this team. Karch has made sure that he is the MAIN MAN, after all he is the King... Hugh was just a great manager. He could take the women with extra large egos and get them to focus that inner diva on the other team. There were instances of diva leakage, but for the most part he was able to channel that energy into competing. Do not look for Destinee or Logan to come back, they won't be there in Rio. Karch is kind of a quirky dude that doesnt like personality conflicts, it makes him feel awkward. He is used to everyone in the world of volleyball doing what he wants without question. He has yet to realize what he has done...... because of his inability to manage players, he is willing to forego good players for subpar players that will never bring home the gold? he would rather have maybe second best than THE BEST because he cannot manage them because of his quirkiness and feels awkwardness in dealing with different personalities? bwahahaha. i read somewhere he got so mad from a bad call he tore down the net with the ref still on the stand in a sand tourney. hmm either way you slice this whole thing (******according to you), it's bad really really bad.
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Post by mplssetter on Aug 2, 2014 1:48:01 GMT -5
He was a good operational manager who set parameters and expectations, and handled conflict by not dealing directly with it, ignoring it, or frankly, being a little misleading about it (ask Alisha Glass about that one). If you have a story, let's hear it. Obviously you're in the know, so tell us how Hugh misled Alisha Glass.
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Post by hochee on Aug 2, 2014 1:48:15 GMT -5
Watching replay, through set 2.... Set 1: Fast offense wins. Set 2: Credit Russia.But Larson, Harmotto win that set.
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Post by hochee on Aug 2, 2014 2:09:39 GMT -5
Set 3; Russia the better team
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 2, 2014 2:13:13 GMT -5
He was a good operational manager who set parameters and expectations, and handled conflict by not dealing directly with it, ignoring it, or frankly, being a little misleading about it (ask Alisha Glass about that one). If you have a story, let's hear it. Obviously you're in the know, so tell us how Hugh misled Alisha Glass. Don't be a moocher. It's not easy getting these stories.
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Post by C on Aug 2, 2014 2:17:29 GMT -5
Set 3; Russia the better team Our passing was not that great, plus Alisha's location wasn't that great in set 2 and 3. I didn't bother watching the rest.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 3:03:01 GMT -5
Watching replay, through set 2.... Set 1: Fast offense wins. Set 2: Credit Russia.But Larson, Harmotto win that set. Larson and Harmotto didn't play...
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Post by joetrinsey on Aug 2, 2014 3:28:01 GMT -5
I just watched the match for the second time and took stats because I could not understand the discrepancy between the FIVB and DataVolley numbers. Some examples - FIVB has 10 aces for Russia, DV has 3. Correct answer is - 3. FIVB has 15 recept for Banwarth, 13 PP. DV has 11, 9 PP. Correct answer is 16, 11 PP (according to my judgment) FIVB has 16PP/25 rec for Robinson, DV has 18PP/32 rec. I counted 18/31. FIVB has 17PP/28 rec for Hill with 2 errors. DV has 14 PP/26 with 1 error. I counted 16/26, 1 error. Both had Hill with 30 or 29 attempts, I counted 37. Maybe I was wrong but I think I counted right. FIVB has Davis with 4PP/5 (Ha!) and DV has 1PP/4. I have 1PP/5. And FIVB has Glass with a recept. DV has Glass with a recept and Adams with a recept. I don't recall either one having a rec. Maybe Glass got credit for the RUS rotation error in Set 1. And minor differences between each stat report of an attempt or 2, or an error or kill 1 way or the other. I don't think we can rely on stats from either crew to help determine much of anything if we want to use that as a basis for our reasoning. Somewhat disappointing. The DV stats that USA posts are going to be more accurate than the FIVB, especially in a group stage. FIVB stats are done by VIS volunteers with... varied levels of experience. The final round (or especially in a place like Japan or Italy) will have better statkeepers. The USA DV stats are sent over by us in a standard DV form. I think you might have miscounted on Banwarth, or maybe double-counted her and Davis? The DV stats that USA posts are sent over by me right after the match, so there's always a (rare!) possibility I miss-type a player's number live or something like that. Of course, I always rewatch the whole match and there are usually some minor corrections here and there (maybe I scored a pass "good" live and on video I regrade to a medium or vice-versa). As a team, we had 88 receptions: Banwarth: 12 (I originally gave the tape ball to Adams- when a player vacates an area of responsibility and another covers, the first is given a negative reception, but upon rewatch, it was too far from Adams so I regraded to Banwarth) Davis: 4 Lichtman: 2 Hildebrand: 10 Hill: 29 Robinson: 31 As mentioned before, there's a couple I regraded by 1 grade positive or negative, but the original DV numbers are pretty much right on. Always glad to see a fellow stat-guy on here!
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Post by joetrinsey on Aug 2, 2014 3:44:06 GMT -5
Disappointing match obviously. We obviously need a better team effort than that if we want to have success in this tournament.
Offensive Distribution (excluding non-setter sets and/or bumpsets): USA Area 4 (Go): 37 swings, 43% efficiency Area 3 (Quick/Gap): 17 swings, 12% efficiency Area 2 (Red/Slide): 39 swings, 48% efficiency Backrow (Pipe/D): 7 swings, -43% efficiency
RUS Area 4 (Go): 36 swings, 25% efficiency Area 3 (Quick): 3 swings, 33% efficiency Area 2 (Red/Slide): 39 swings, 49% efficiency Backrow (Pipe/D): 11 swings, 27% efficiency
Obviously the middle connection wasn't there for us to start, although the success on the pins helped offset that. We ended up hitting 27% overall, which is a solid number against a team like Russia- average against them is 22%. Unfortunately, we allowed them to hit 31%, and a big difference was their hitting on trouble sets- balls where they are being bumpset or a non-setter is setting out-of-system:
Trouble sets: USA: 21 swings, 14% efficiency RUS: 20 swings, 30% efficiency
A big part of that was obviously Kosheleva; she showed why she's one of the toughest hitters to stop. The book on her is pretty well-known: she's going to go over the block and blast deep 1/6. We had some adjustments there but we weren't consistent about executing. Obviously that needs to improve the next time we play them.
Keeping Malykh in full-time was a good move by them. Our block was not good on her. Early on we were flying past and letting her hit that sharp angle she loves, and then when we got the right lineup we were too early and exposing the outside hand for her to tool off of. So there's another thing USA needs to improve.
The girls are focused (and a little pissed off) and ready to go out and get a better match tonight. Thanks everybody for tuning in, even at weird hours. Go USA.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 4:03:22 GMT -5
Watching replay, through set 2.... Set 1: Fast offense wins. Set 2: Credit Russia.But Larson, Harmotto win that set. Larson and Harmotto didn't play... That's what he's saying... A USA team with Larson and Harmotto wins that set.
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Post by Upfrontvb on Aug 2, 2014 9:50:13 GMT -5
Larson and Harmotto didn't play... That's what he's saying... A USA team with Larson and Harmotto wins that set. Larson yes. Harmotto is an unknown. How long has it been that we have seen her play or when she has not been injured?
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Post by dorothymantooth on Aug 2, 2014 9:53:19 GMT -5
That's what he's saying... A USA team with Larson and Harmotto wins that set. Larson yes. Harmotto is an unknown. How long has it been that we have seen her play or when she has not been injured? Unknown?
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