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Post by SportyBucky on Nov 17, 2014 16:42:59 GMT -5
UW has two losses, both 5 sets, both on the road. PSU has three losses, one at home. So PSU moves ahead of UW. If Penn state loses at Michigan Wednesday will they be #1? Yea I agree, Wash is likely the better team, but because its the polls and because there are only 2 weeks left of Reg Season... its more that WASH dropped below PSU than "PSU moves ahead of UW" - UW's losses were this past weekend, PSU hasn't lost since Oct. 11 PSU...Add Washington, move Whitney to the right and Courtney to OH and it's a very different team than the one that lost early on.
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 17, 2014 16:48:08 GMT -5
UW has two losses, both 5 sets, both on the road. PSU has three losses, one at home. So PSU moves ahead of UW. If Penn state loses at Michigan Wednesday will they be #1? Just for you...the world's smallest violin: Attachment Deleted
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2014 16:48:38 GMT -5
UW has two losses, both 5 sets, both on the road. PSU has three losses, one at home. So PSU moves ahead of UW. If Penn state loses at Michigan Wednesday will they be #1? Only if everyone else wins
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Post by jgrout on Nov 17, 2014 16:58:51 GMT -5
Southern Cal hanging tough at #25. Amazing. 14-12! Totally unjustified.
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Post by jgrout on Nov 17, 2014 17:00:39 GMT -5
I don't think PSU should be ranked higher than UW, but why is it that shocking or bothersome? RPI of team's PSU lost to: 1, 9 and 11. RPI of teams Washington lost to: 29 and 47. Washington beat Wisky in Seattle in 5. Penn State beat Wisky in Madison in 3. What if Penn State wins (not a given by any means...Michigan and Nebraska will be dangerous) out and Washington loses to Stanford? Still a joke to you? Beat Stanford and you'll easily move back up. Lose to them--especially if its at home in less than 5 sets--and get back to us. It's neither shocking or bothersome, to me. Just interesting. I'm still convinced that many of the coaches who take part in the polling have only a modest interest in the process and take only a cursory glance at results. And as AY mentioned earlier, so much of it is driven by reputation and heritage and where teams finished last season. Honestly, as I've stated multiple times, I'd much rather have a team feel slighted and overlooked in the polls and even in where they are seeded. As a coach I'd want my team playing loose and not trying to live up to high expectations. If Stanford ends the regular season unbeaten, I think those players are going to be tight as a drum after the first round. You hope? I don't believe it.
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Post by elevationvb on Nov 17, 2014 17:00:56 GMT -5
Can you imagine the coaches in 1 room reading the heated discussion each week here on VT about their poll? They'd probably would have a good chuckle! Meanwhile there is this, www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/11/17/7234775/art-briles-coaches-poll-vote-texas-oklahoma-2008Yes, 'Art Briles' voted Texas behind a team it beat. But Art Briles didn't actually vote... Except, Briles didn't actually vote, he says.
This is a pretty well-known secret: coaches don't actually vote in the Coaches Poll, making it essentially worthless as a rankings system (would you pay attention if it was called the SID Poll?). To our knowledge, Briles is the first coach to be so publicly candid about the process. It appears he doesn't fear any possible repercussions as a result of his comments.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Nov 17, 2014 17:06:52 GMT -5
UW has two losses, both 5 sets, both on the road. PSU has three losses, one at home. So PSU moves ahead of UW. If Penn state loses at Michigan Wednesday will they be #1? Just for you...the world's smallest violin: View AttachmentPSU losses were early to 1, 10, 11. UW lost recently to 19 and 23. I would be comfortable with the two flip-flopped, but certainly understand why people would rank PSU higher.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Nov 17, 2014 17:11:14 GMT -5
Why is BYU ranked #12? I see ZERO wins against top 25 teams on their resume, and losses to unranked San Diego, Santa Clara Why is Purdue ranked #16. I see 1 top 25 win on their resume- a 5 set home win over Ohio State, and losses to unranked Iowa, Saint Louis, and Western Kentucky. Just goes to show you that where a team started out in the preseason poll is STILL a big factor in the current rankings, 3 months later. I don't disagree with you that AVCA poll dynamics are strange, but BYU and Purdue are bad examples to use. Pablo: BYU #8 Purdue #23 Both of them are legitimate top teams, and whether they are 16 vs 23 or 8 vs 12 is completely splitting hairs. So while the poll has bizarre dynamics, BYU and Purdue are teams that they are actually not bad on. Similarly, USC is #25 in Pablo as well, so they are also not crazy on them. You can call it getting them nearly right for the wrong reason, but they're not crazy by any means.
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Post by ay2013 on Nov 17, 2014 17:17:49 GMT -5
Why is BYU ranked #12? I see ZERO wins against top 25 teams on their resume, and losses to unranked San Diego, Santa Clara Why is Purdue ranked #16. I see 1 top 25 win on their resume- a 5 set home win over Ohio State, and losses to unranked Iowa, Saint Louis, and Western Kentucky. Just goes to show you that where a team started out in the preseason poll is STILL a big factor in the current rankings, 3 months later. I don't disagree with you that AVCA poll dynamics are strange, but BYU and Purdue are bad examples to use. Pablo: BYU #8 Purdue #23 Both of them are legitimate top teams, and whether they are 16 vs 23 or 8 vs 12 is completely splitting hairs. So while the poll has bizarre dynamics, BYU and Purdue are teams that they are actually not bad on. Similarly, USC is #25 in Pablo as well, so they are also not crazy on them. You can call it getting them nearly right for the wrong reason, but they're not crazy by any means. Well, my comment wasn't whether or not I think these teams are good or bad, I think they actually are good, my question is what justification the voters have, and looking that the resume of BYU and Purdue, 3 months in, I see them as having their rankings based more on the preseason poll rather than what they have done this year. Like the seeding committee- There is a difference between what you think and what you can justify.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Nov 17, 2014 17:38:08 GMT -5
I don't disagree with you that AVCA poll dynamics are strange, but BYU and Purdue are bad examples to use. Pablo: BYU #8 Purdue #23 Both of them are legitimate top teams, and whether they are 16 vs 23 or 8 vs 12 is completely splitting hairs. So while the poll has bizarre dynamics, BYU and Purdue are teams that they are actually not bad on. Similarly, USC is #25 in Pablo as well, so they are also not crazy on them. You can call it getting them nearly right for the wrong reason, but they're not crazy by any means. Well, my comment wasn't whether or not I think these teams are good or bad, I think they actually are good, my question is what justification the voters have, and looking that the resume of BYU and Purdue, 3 months in, I see them as having their rankings based more on the preseason poll rather than what they have done this year. Like the seeding committee- There is a difference between what you think and what you can justify. But it's completely justified based on AVCA dynamics. Your objection above is based on criteria/methodology the AVCA doesn't use. The AVCA rankings are clearly not based on overall considerations of good wins and bad losses and full season assessment. It is what were you ranked last week and how did you do, and how did those around you do. So that is all the justification that it takes. And as I've shown, Purdue in the top 25 and BYU in the top 10 is completely justified without any reference to preconceived notions, so if you aren't suggesting that they are overrated, I don't understand your point.
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Post by NebraskaVBfan93 on Nov 17, 2014 18:27:10 GMT -5
I knew there would be a huge whine-fest today, from many quarters. Right on queue. That prediction won't likely make you a Nostradamus.
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Post by wonderwarthog79 on Nov 17, 2014 18:53:36 GMT -5
I knew there would be a huge whine-fest today, from many quarters. Right on queue. "Right on queue" is pretty funny and goes on my quirky neologisms list.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Nov 17, 2014 18:59:42 GMT -5
PSU losses were early to 1, 10, 11. UW lost recently to 19 and 23. I would be comfortable with the two flip-flopped, but certainly understand why people would rank PSU higher. Hope you're back for good, my friend.
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Post by gnu2vball on Nov 17, 2014 20:39:59 GMT -5
Perhaps PSU's 4 ranking by the "coaches" is too high. While RPI has no subjective input, I'm not sure I can accept that 9 teams are better than PSU.
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Post by allbeautyselection on Nov 17, 2014 22:18:43 GMT -5
Southern Cal hanging tough at #25. Amazing. 14-12! Totally unjustified. Mick Haley still thinks they are top 20
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