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Post by canda on Dec 20, 2014 16:27:33 GMT -5
The conference awards are supposed to be restricted to the conference season, right? It makes perfect sense that someone could win the national award, but not the conference award. And this was a perfect example of where it would make sense. Interesting how Hancock had a higher assist average, and higher service aces, and her team had a higher hitting percentage than Wisconsin, but somehow she wasn't at least the Big 10 Setter of the Year.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 16:37:30 GMT -5
Because Wisconsin won more matches? Because Wisconsin doesn't have the hitters PSU does?
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Post by hardbop on Dec 20, 2014 16:37:43 GMT -5
The conference awards are supposed to be restricted to the conference season, right? It makes perfect sense that someone could win the national award, but not the conference award. And this was a perfect example of where it would make sense. Interesting how Hancock had a higher assist average, and higher service aces, and her team had a higher hitting percentage than Wisconsin, but somehow she wasn't at least the Big 10 Setter of the Year. Sometimes you have equally worthy candidates. These two are both extraordinarily worthy of high honors. Historically the "tiebreaker" seems to be to the player whose team wins the conference or plays for the NC. In some ways maybe that makes sense as it is a team sport. All three awards could have had Micha and Carlini as co-recipients and you would have no argument from me [and I'm a PSU fan]. All of the top candidates were worthy and their excellence is not diminished by only one being chosen.
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Post by elevationvb on Dec 20, 2014 16:40:39 GMT -5
Are you insinuating Rose went after her before Ed Allen resigned as coach of Tulsa?
I believe she had already signed her LOI before Allen resigned. I wasn't insinuating anything, only reporting the sequence of events. Tulsa released her. Ok. But your terminology was Rose went after her and she opted to leave Tulsa.
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Post by gnu2vball on Dec 20, 2014 17:21:40 GMT -5
Trojansc said: "Ugh - what a match that was. USC rallied from 0-2 to beat Minnesota but was up 2 sets to 1 over Penn State and actually led something like 16-8 in the 4th set before Penn St pushed it to five sets and one. That was a fun opening weekend. Kirby Burnham, if i remember correctly, had a nice game."
Yes she did and so did Alex Jupiter. The kids were so sweaty and there were over 6,000 at Rec Hall. At least it's air conditioned now. It was nice that the Big 10 network televised all four matches.
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Post by canda on Dec 20, 2014 17:35:32 GMT -5
Because Wisconsin won more matches? Because Wisconsin doesn't have the hitters PSU does? So when you have better hitters, I guess a monkey could toss it up there and pretty much get the same results. Executing the game plan, knowing who's hot, serving to put your hitters in a good position, being a threat to kill yourself, has little to do with it.
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Post by kbcomm on Dec 20, 2014 18:01:53 GMT -5
If this is true, this is ridiculous. What do you think is true? Washington refuses to switch and the team is taking sides? A) they are completely different awards B) the team is taking sides? This is ridiculous. If it's true, I can't believe the level of immaturity.
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Post by Boof1224 on Dec 20, 2014 18:08:37 GMT -5
Just wondering if Micha Hancock's AVCA NPOY Award Trophy is bigger than Lauren Carlini's Big 10 Player of the Year and Setter of the Year Award Trophies. This brings up a sore subject for us PSU fans. Apparently there are tensions in the PSU locker room just before the final match. Washington's BT FOY trophy is nicer than Frantti's NFOY award. Washington refuses to switch with Ali and the rest of the team is taking sides. On a serious note...Carlini deserved the BT awards. Micha deserved the NPOY. They are both that good. You could mix and match who got what and I would not be surprised or upset. Funny joke. Sarcasm i suspect. No way that happens. Rose wouldn't tolerate it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 18:17:45 GMT -5
Because Wisconsin won more matches? Because Wisconsin doesn't have the hitters PSU does? So when you have better hitters, I guess a monkey could toss it up there and pretty much get the same results. Executing the game plan, knowing who's hot, serving to put your hitters in a good position, being a threat to kill yourself, has little to do with it. Yes, because that is even remotely close to what I was saying ... hoo-boy.
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Post by deacondive on Dec 20, 2014 18:36:55 GMT -5
didn't realize until last night that she had verbal-ed to Tulsa and wasn't apparently a highly recruited setter. Now she's NPOY. Hard to believe she'd have had the same career playing for Tulsa. Well-deserved and going to miss watching her play next year! Hope to see that serve for the Olympic team someday! The serve yes...not so sure about the rest of her game.
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Post by vbbetterthanbb on Dec 20, 2014 18:38:12 GMT -5
What do you think is true? Washington refuses to switch and the team is taking sides? A) they are completely different awards B) the team is taking sides? This is ridiculous. If it's true, I can't believe the level of immaturity. Before this goes way too far and starts false rumor that ends up badly hurting a lot of people for no reason whatsoever: kbcomm, THAT WAS A JOKE.
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Post by deacondive on Dec 20, 2014 18:40:38 GMT -5
Not saying Micah doesn't deserve it, so don't twist my words here. I am just curious how many National Player of the Year winners didn't even win their conference Player of the Year. rare ... but i believe it's happened a couple of times. 2010 -- carli lloyd was NPOY, and alex klineman was the pac-12 POY 2005 -- christina houghtelling was NPOY, and sarah pavan was the big-12 POY Klineman was shafted that year. There is too much weight placed on postseason performance. Hancock is simply the top player on the top team at the final four. Is she the best player in the country? No
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Post by Boof1224 on Dec 20, 2014 18:41:04 GMT -5
Washington refuses to switch and the team is taking sides? A) they are completely different awards B) the team is taking sides? This is ridiculous. If it's true, I can't believe the level of immaturity. Before this goes way too far and starts false rumor that ends up badly hurting a lot of people for no reason whatsoever: kbcomm, THAT WAS A JOKE. How can anyone really take that seriously. They're playing for a nc. No way they would be worried about that. Plus Washington is one of the most easy going personalitys. She would give frantii trophy and then take her to dinner
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Post by kbcomm on Dec 20, 2014 19:49:48 GMT -5
Washington refuses to switch and the team is taking sides? A) they are completely different awards B) the team is taking sides? This is ridiculous. If it's true, I can't believe the level of immaturity. Before this goes way too far and starts false rumor that ends up badly hurting a lot of people for no reason whatsoever: kbcomm, THAT WAS A JOKE. Good! glad this isn't true.
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Post by pogoball on Dec 20, 2014 22:26:57 GMT -5
Prefacing: I do think Micha is worthy of participating in the national program. I think she is an amazing competitor and college player and a worthy winner of NPOY.
I think people need to keep something in mind: Micha was arguably the best or second best setter in the nation this year. However, to make the national team, she will compete with other setters who were ALSO the best setters in the nation when they graduated: Alisha Glass, Courtney Thompson & Carli Lloyd just to name three off the top of my head. Not only were these women the best setters in the nation when they graduated, but they all have multiple years of pro and international experience and training.
Micha does have a nice serve, but (a) there is no room on the international roster for a serving specialist. Every roster spot is too important to give one up. Please abandon that idea. and (b) her serve *might* be above average internationally, but it will simply not generate many points. International players are not college kids, they really wouldn't be fazed by her serve.
In other words, if she is to make a roster, it will be as a setter who has a nice serve, not a server who can set. If there are two setters better than her, then she will not somehow make the roster in any other role.
Realistically: she is way behind Glass, Thompson & Lloyd and has almost no chance for 2016. I'm not even sure Berg has ruled out attempting to play. For 2020, Glass, Thompson & Lloyd will still be in primes of their careers if they choose to continue. Carlini, in my opinion, is a far better international setter than Hancock. There are several setters in the national team pipeline (like Poulter) who are also better suited to the international game. Hancock is a fighter and if she dedicates herself as a professional, I wouldn't rule her out, but the odds are very much against her.
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