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Post by dorothymantooth on Jan 23, 2015 16:21:24 GMT -5
It was a very nice run, but the coach let Hancock play out the rest of the set, and her setting was pretty poor and they lost the lead she built pretty quickly. She also didn't get much traction, if any, in any of her other service runs. Very nice stretch of serves, but a long way to go and way too early for some of the "I Told Ya So" posts above. Has there ever been a setter who improved significantly after college? We've known for years Hancock would never be a high level setter, and considering she was in the zone after an eight point serving run and unable to set at a high level proves she'll only be on the NT as a serving sub if that. I personally enjoy watching her aces but Lichtman's bottom dropping floats could be more effective if only due to fewer service errors. I would like to publicly express I don't want to be included when Kokyu says "we've known for years"
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Post by jsn112 on Jan 23, 2015 16:29:19 GMT -5
I thought they pass only nails in the international games? What happened? Who is this Micha girl that's killing them? Her serve does look great. BUT, this was her first game in a mid-tier level international match. If she starts to become successful, teams (both club and national) will start to prepare more for her. There are many examples of players who were incredible servers in college (Jordan Larson for one) who had a great deal of initial success internationally but then were brought back down to "normal" numbers over time, especially against elite competition. Believe me when I say that I don't think Micha will duplicate her service line success in the pro. There is no delusion in that. However, with that said, Micha has a better serve than Jordan Larson (maybe being a left hand has something to do with that). To put it in perspective, Micha's worse year in college is still better than Jordan's best year at the service line by about 30 aces, and that is not including the runs.
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Post by VolleyTX on Jan 23, 2015 17:11:49 GMT -5
It was a very nice run, but the coach let Hancock play out the rest of the set, and her setting was pretty poor and they lost the lead she built pretty quickly. She also didn't get much traction, if any, in any of her other service runs. Very nice stretch of serves, but a long way to go and way too early for some of the "I Told Ya So" posts above. Has there ever been a setter who improved significantly after college? We've known for years Hancock would never be a high level setter, and considering she was in the zone after an eight point serving run and unable to set at a high level proves she'll only be on the NT as a serving sub if that. I personally enjoy watching her aces but Lichtman's bottom dropping floats could be more effective if only due to fewer service errors. Having not seen her play in college, I probably shouldn't say this.... but my sense is that Berg had to really work her way through many years of professional volleyball before she was good enough to set for the best teams in the world.
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Post by midnightblue on Jan 23, 2015 18:18:27 GMT -5
Has there ever been a setter who improved significantly after college? We've known for years Hancock would never be a high level setter, and considering she was in the zone after an eight point serving run and unable to set at a high level proves she'll only be on the NT as a serving sub if that. I personally enjoy watching her aces but Lichtman's bottom dropping floats could be more effective if only due to fewer service errors. Having not seen her play in college, I probably shouldn't say this.... but my sense is that Berg had to really work her way through many years of professional volleyball before she was good enough to set for the best teams in the world. Toshi Yoshida "discovered her" when he was coaching her professional team in the US.. the Minnesota Chill, and he invited her to try out for the NT. That was in 2002 I believe. And obviously the rest is history. She didn't land her first contract in Italy until after the Athens OGs in 2004.
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Post by Wahinevball1234 on Jan 23, 2015 19:49:31 GMT -5
Micha is a prime example of how competitiveness can be just as good as skill, and she is skilled as well. An ultra aggressive setter is very rare so maybe that is what sets her apart from many other setters. There are a lot of setters who can place a ball perfectly, but I would be willing to say there are very few is as willing to give up there body and really take aggressive rips at serves as Micha is.
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Post by deacondive on Jan 23, 2015 21:33:25 GMT -5
Thanks for posting this! Gotta love it when your server can completely disrupt the opponent: Burn their timeouts, force them into a double sub, get the coach cursing on the sidelines, etc. Great stuff! It was a very nice run, but the coach let Hancock play out the rest of the set, and her setting was pretty poor and they lost the lead she built pretty quickly. She also didn't get much traction, if any, in any of her other service runs. Very nice stretch of serves, but a long way to go and way too early for some of the "I Told Ya So" posts above. Even in her serving run, her setting did not look great. She really needs to work on the setting part of her game, as we know she can serve with the best of them.
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Post by deacondive on Jan 23, 2015 21:34:46 GMT -5
It was a very nice run, but the coach let Hancock play out the rest of the set, and her setting was pretty poor and they lost the lead she built pretty quickly. She also didn't get much traction, if any, in any of her other service runs. Very nice stretch of serves, but a long way to go and way too early for some of the "I Told Ya So" posts above. Has there ever been a setter who improved significantly after college? We've known for years Hancock would never be a high level setter, and considering she was in the zone after an eight point serving run and unable to set at a high level proves she'll only be on the NT as a serving sub if that. I personally enjoy watching her aces but Lichtman's bottom dropping floats could be more effective if only due to fewer service errors. Tori Dixon has a much stronger serve than Lichtman. I highly doubt we will see Lichtman in Rio.
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Post by jsn112 on Jan 24, 2015 2:35:42 GMT -5
It was a very nice run, but the coach let Hancock play out the rest of the set, and her setting was pretty poor and they lost the lead she built pretty quickly. She also didn't get much traction, if any, in any of her other service runs. Very nice stretch of serves, but a long way to go and way too early for some of the "I Told Ya So" posts above. E ven in her serving run, her setting did not look great. She really needs to work on the setting part of her game, as we know she can serve with the best of them. How many times did she actually set during that 10 points run?
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Post by psumaui on Jan 24, 2015 5:25:31 GMT -5
E ven in her serving run, her setting did not look great. She really needs to work on the setting part of her game, as we know she can serve with the best of them. How many times did she actually set during that 10 points run? She only had to set twice. 1st time it resulted in immediate kill. 2nd time(last point)she set to back-row due to poor pass and ball was tipped over the double block and then blocked by her teammates. She had three Aces. Three serves resulted in overpasses which were immediate kills for points. One serve caused passer from Atom to make a really bad pass to setter which resulted in a double contact from setter. She also caused Atom coach to take two time-outs and double substitute on that run!
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Post by bkedane on Jan 24, 2015 5:54:21 GMT -5
It was a very nice run, but the coach let Hancock play out the rest of the set, and her setting was pretty poor and they lost the lead she built pretty quickly. She also didn't get much traction, if any, in any of her other service runs. Very nice stretch of serves, but a long way to go and way too early for some of the "I Told Ya So" posts above. Has there ever been a setter who improved significantly after college? We've known for years Hancock would never be a high level setter, and considering she was in the zone after an eight point serving run and unable to set at a high level proves she'll only be on the NT as a serving sub if that. I personally enjoy watching her aces but Lichtman's bottom dropping floats could be more effective if only due to fewer service errors. So you think she'll never be at the level of people you think are high level international setters - people like Plum. Thanks for the expert assessment.
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Post by Phillytom on Jan 24, 2015 17:32:50 GMT -5
"We've known" what? Who's "we" -- the cult of Carlini? What exactly is the definition of "high level" setter? Two national championships and NPOY doesn't count toward high level? Did she win national POY only for her serving -- if so I must have missed that announcement.
Seriously, geez! Hancock wasn't a setter before she got to Penn State. She improved markedly each year -- visibly even to casual fans. She works super hard and I doubt she is going to stop working now. If anything her learning should accelerate now that VB is a full time job.
I don't know much about the history of setters after college, but I have followed Glass a little, and it looks to me like she is making all kinds of sets that she was not making at PSU. Why would players stop improving after 22? I scratch my head at this.
[/quote]Has there ever been a setter who improved significantly after college? We've known for years Hancock would never be a high level setter, and considering she was in the zone after an eight point serving run and unable to set at a high level proves she'll only be on the NT as a serving sub if that. I personally enjoy watching her aces but Lichtman's bottom dropping floats could be more effective if only due to fewer service errors. [/quote]
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Post by kokyu on Jan 24, 2015 21:13:24 GMT -5
Everyone should know PSU's winning due to higher level of hitters compared to rest of NCAA, not due to superior setting. Many other D1 setters would've had PSU winning NC past couple seasons.
Of course Plum's still the best American setter currently although she's stuck on a crappy French team. Team USA would look very different with a humble coach.
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Post by psumaui on Jan 24, 2015 21:22:46 GMT -5
Kokyu has been at the catnip again.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 24, 2015 21:24:13 GMT -5
Everyone should know PSU's winning due to higher level of hitters compared to rest of NCAA, not due to superior setting. Many other D1 setters would've had PSU winning NC past couple seasons. Of course Plum's still the best American setter currently although she's stuck on a crappy French team. Team USA would look very different with a humble coach. I love Plum, but she's not even starting on her crappy French team right now. So maybe time for you to simmer down on that.
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Post by kokyu on Jan 24, 2015 21:42:23 GMT -5
Everyone should know PSU's winning due to higher level of hitters compared to rest of NCAA, not due to superior setting. Many other D1 setters would've had PSU winning NC past couple seasons. Of course Plum's still the best American setter currently although she's stuck on a crappy French team. Team USA would look very different with a humble coach. I love Plum, but she's not even starting on her crappy French team right now. So maybe time for you to simmer down on that. Nah, can't expect chemistry between an elite setter and crappy hitters. Any high ball setter would do "better" for Mulhouse than Plum. Like trying to put a Ferrari engine in a Prius, better to go with a stock Prius.
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