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Post by vball14 on Jan 24, 2015 23:46:26 GMT -5
Everyone should know PSU's winning due to higher level of hitters compared to rest of NCAA, not due to superior setting. Many other D1 setters would've had PSU winning NC past couple seasons. Of course Plum's still the best American setter currently although she's stuck on a crappy French team. Team USA would look very different with a humble coach.
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Post by vball14 on Jan 24, 2015 23:48:09 GMT -5
Yes, they would not have gold around their necks and that would be a very different look.
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Post by gnu2vball on Jan 25, 2015 1:33:26 GMT -5
I love Plum, but she's not even starting on her crappy French team right now. So maybe time for you to simmer down on that. Nah, can't expect chemistry between an elite setter and crappy hitters. Any high ball setter would do "better" for Mulhouse than Plum. Like trying to put a Ferrari engine in a Prius, better to go with a stock Prius. I don't know anything about Plum's team, but Mulhouse? That's like what? France's answer to the Quad Cities?
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Post by deacondive on Jan 25, 2015 6:35:16 GMT -5
Everyone should know PSU's winning due to higher level of hitters compared to rest of NCAA, not due to superior setting. Many other D1 setters would've had PSU winning NC past couple seasons. Of course Plum's still the best American setter currently although she's stuck on a crappy French team. Team USA would look very different with a humble coach. I think they had pretty good passing too...
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Post by roger on Jan 25, 2015 8:35:10 GMT -5
It is laughable that when Micha appeared on the scene as a freshman she was considered to have no setting skills at all and would probably be replaced by Courtney in a very short time. So here we are and she as a senior has won just about every award possible. Seems to me that all those who see so many shortcomings in her setting game have failed to recognize the factor that lead her to such fame and comment: never quit trying and keep on getting better.
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Post by chisovnik on Jan 25, 2015 9:54:48 GMT -5
It is laughable that when Micha appeared on the scene as a freshman she was considered to have no setting skills at all and would probably be replaced by Courtney in a very short time. So here we are and she as a senior has won just about every award possible. Seems to me that all those who see so many shortcomings in her setting game have failed to recognize the factor that lead her to such fame and comment: never quit trying and keep on getting better. I don't remember reading anything on here that said Hancock had "no setting skills at all" or that she would be replaced by Courtney. You're just making stuff up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 20:41:54 GMT -5
It is laughable that when Micha appeared on the scene as a freshman she was considered to have no setting skills at all and would probably be replaced by Courtney in a very short time. So here we are and she as a senior has won just about every award possible. Seems to me that all those who see so many shortcomings in her setting game have failed to recognize the factor that lead her to such fame and comment: never quit trying and keep on getting better. I don't remember reading anything on here that said Hancock had "no setting skills at all" or that she would be replaced by Courtney. You're just making stuff up. I'm also interested to hear what "every award possible means." Her best award to date, POY, while impressive, doesn't mean that she automatically is going to be successful at the international level. In fact, in the last ten years, I would say only 1 of the players listed below (Akinradewo) have been extremely successful internationally for Team USA. Taking out Hancock, Vansant and Pavan, that's 1 of 7. Even Hodge and Fawcett who were MACHINES in their college days struggle at the most elite levels. We'll just have to wait and see. 2014: Micha Hancock, Penn State University 2013: Krista Vansant, University of Washington 2012: Alaina Bergsma, University of Oregon 2011: Alex Jupiter, University of Southern California 2010: Carli Lloyd, University of California, Berkeley 2009: Megan Hodge, Penn State University 2008: Nicole Fawcett, Penn State University 2007: Foluke Akinradewo, Stanford University 2006: Sarah Pavan, University of Nebraska 2005: Christina Houghtelling, University of Nebraska
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Post by C on Jan 25, 2015 21:17:12 GMT -5
I don't remember reading anything on here that said Hancock had "no setting skills at all" or that she would be replaced by Courtney. You're just making stuff up. I'm also interested to hear what "every award possible means." Her best award to date, POY, while impressive, doesn't mean that she automatically is going to be successful at the international level. In fact, in the last ten years, I would say only 1 of the players listed below (Akinradewo) have been extremely successful internationally for Team USA. Taking out Hancock, Vansant and Pavan, that's 1 of 7. Even Hodge and Fawcett who were MACHINES in their college days struggle at the most elite levels. We'll just have to wait and see. 2014: Micha Hancock, Penn State University 2013: Krista Vansant, University of Washington 2012: Alaina Bergsma, University of Oregon 2011: Alex Jupiter, University of Southern California 2010: Carli Lloyd, University of California, Berkeley 2009: Megan Hodge, Penn State University 2008: Nicole Fawcett, Penn State University 2007: Foluke Akinradewo, Stanford University 2006: Sarah Pavan, University of Nebraska 2005: Christina Houghtelling, University of Nebraska Lloyd is successful in the international level, just doesn't fit in to team USA's offense. So that's 2? lol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 22:09:47 GMT -5
I'm also interested to hear what "every award possible means." Her best award to date, POY, while impressive, doesn't mean that she automatically is going to be successful at the international level. In fact, in the last ten years, I would say only 1 of the players listed below (Akinradewo) have been extremely successful internationally for Team USA. Taking out Hancock, Vansant and Pavan, that's 1 of 7. Even Hodge and Fawcett who were MACHINES in their college days struggle at the most elite levels. We'll just have to wait and see. 2014: Micha Hancock, Penn State University 2013: Krista Vansant, University of Washington 2012: Alaina Bergsma, University of Oregon 2011: Alex Jupiter, University of Southern California 2010: Carli Lloyd, University of California, Berkeley 2009: Megan Hodge, Penn State University 2008: Nicole Fawcett, Penn State University 2007: Foluke Akinradewo, Stanford University 2006: Sarah Pavan, University of Nebraska 2005: Christina Houghtelling, University of Nebraska Lloyd is successful in the international level, just doesn't fit in to team USA's offense. So that's 2? lol Haha I think the point still stands, but you're right.
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Post by kokyu on Jan 25, 2015 22:15:27 GMT -5
Bergsma would probably do well on a good European team since she's used to a fast offense. She just needs to learn more crafty shots like Sheila who also doesn't hit at a high contact point for an opp.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jan 25, 2015 23:14:51 GMT -5
I don't remember reading anything on here that said Hancock had "no setting skills at all" or that she would be replaced by Courtney. You're just making stuff up. I'm also interested to hear what "every award possible means." Her best award to date, POY, while impressive, doesn't mean that she automatically is going to be successful at the international level. In fact, in the last ten years, I would say only 1 of the players listed below (Akinradewo) have been extremely successful internationally for Team USA. Taking out Hancock, Vansant and Pavan, that's 1 of 7. Even Hodge and Fawcett who were MACHINES in their college days struggle at the most elite levels. We'll just have to wait and see. 2014: Micha Hancock, Penn State University 2013: Krista Vansant, University of Washington 2012: Alaina Bergsma, University of Oregon 2011: Alex Jupiter, University of Southern California 2010: Carli Lloyd, University of California, Berkeley 2009: Megan Hodge, Penn State University 2008: Nicole Fawcett, Penn State University 2007: Foluke Akinradewo, Stanford University 2006: Sarah Pavan, University of Nebraska 2005: Christina Houghtelling, University of Nebraska Hodge won a silver medal at the olympics and was the MVP at the world grand prix. Some might consider that pretty darn successful with the NT. Fawcett is one of 13 US women IN HISTORY to win a gold medal at the World Championships or the Olympics, that seems pretty good.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 23:56:08 GMT -5
I'm also interested to hear what "every award possible means." Her best award to date, POY, while impressive, doesn't mean that she automatically is going to be successful at the international level. In fact, in the last ten years, I would say only 1 of the players listed below (Akinradewo) have been extremely successful internationally for Team USA. Taking out Hancock, Vansant and Pavan, that's 1 of 7. Even Hodge and Fawcett who were MACHINES in their college days struggle at the most elite levels. We'll just have to wait and see. 2014: Micha Hancock, Penn State University 2013: Krista Vansant, University of Washington 2012: Alaina Bergsma, University of Oregon 2011: Alex Jupiter, University of Southern California 2010: Carli Lloyd, University of California, Berkeley 2009: Megan Hodge, Penn State University 2008: Nicole Fawcett, Penn State University 2007: Foluke Akinradewo, Stanford University 2006: Sarah Pavan, University of Nebraska 2005: Christina Houghtelling, University of Nebraska Hodge won a silver medal at the olympics and was the MVP at the world grand prix. Some might consider that pretty darn successful with the NT. Fawcett is one of 13 US women IN HISTORY to win a gold medal at the World Championships or the Olympics, that seems pretty good. Hodge played in two matches at the Olympics. Her passing became a huge liability at the international level. She also struggles out of system. And you're right about the World Championships, my apologies. Fawcett should be very proud. But you can't deny, if you've followed her since she entered the international game, that she has struggled consistently. She struggled in Hugh's system significantly. Now maybe that's because Hugh's system was Hugh's system but still. My point is that collegiate success doesn't always translate to international success. Being NPOY doesn't mean you are going to be the star of the USA NT.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jan 26, 2015 0:06:57 GMT -5
Hodge won a silver medal at the olympics and was the MVP at the world grand prix. Some might consider that pretty darn successful with the NT. Fawcett is one of 13 US women IN HISTORY to win a gold medal at the World Championships or the Olympics, that seems pretty good. Hodge played in two matches at the Olympics. Her passing became a huge liability at the international level. She also struggles out of system. And you're right about the World Championships, my apologies. Fawcett should be very proud. But you can't deny, if you've followed her since she entered the international game, that she has struggled consistently. She struggled in Hugh's system significantly. Now maybe that's because Hugh's system was Hugh's system but still. My point is that collegiate success doesn't always translate to international success. Being NPOY doesn't mean you are going to be the star of the USA NT. I understand your point, I just think you embellished to make it. You mention Hodge only playing in two olympic matches but dont want to recognize she was the WGP MVP. I agree with you regarding POY not necessarily translating to NT success, but Pavan, Fawcett have probably made close to a million dollars as international pros.
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Post by future on Jan 26, 2015 6:39:11 GMT -5
Hodge played in two matches at the Olympics. Her passing became a huge liability at the international level. She also struggles out of system. And you're right about the World Championships, my apologies. Fawcett should be very proud. But you can't deny, if you've followed her since she entered the international game, that she has struggled consistently. She struggled in Hugh's system significantly. Now maybe that's because Hugh's system was Hugh's system but still. My point is that collegiate success doesn't always translate to international success. Being NPOY doesn't mean you are going to be the star of the USA NT. I understand your point, I just think you embellished to make it. You mention Hodge only playing in two olympic matches but dont want to recognize she was the WGP MVP. I agree with you regarding POY not necessarily translating to NT success, but Pavan, Fawcett have probably made close to a million dollars as international pros. So upon further review,.........
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Post by mervinswerved on Jan 26, 2015 9:59:38 GMT -5
I think Pavan has been terrible for the United States. Can't even make the roster.
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