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Post by c4ndlelight on Feb 2, 2015 17:37:31 GMT -5
Anja Spasojevic for Serbia; she's not the only one but she's the one who would have made a difference for them. Glinka, Skowronska and Werblinska have all been on the outs with the Polish NT because of coaching at some point in their careers. Furst and Guidetti fell out last year, hence her "retirement from the NT. Not sure if she'll come back since he got fired. Furst and Guidetti seemed to always get along. Actually, Guidetti resigned first before Furst retired from the national team. Do you have any links that show she and Guidetti had a fall out? I don't think Spasojevic would have made a difference for Serbia, considering she was injured. She would have still been behind Brankica Mihajlovic, Jelena Nikolic and Jovana on the pins. And when did Glinka, Skowronska and Werblinska get cut? Furst definitely left before Guidetti. I'm sure at one point they got along, but that was when she was playing for him at Vakif. Spasojevic has been off the Serbian team for a very long time, it's not just about one injury. She has a better arm than Nikolic, and Mihajlovic is still pretty green. It's really Molnar who got the benefit of her absence. Glinka was way back in 06. Skowronska was in 2010-2011 when Jerzy Matlak was coaching. She didn't come back until after he got fired midseason. Baranska-Werblinska was fighting with Marco Bonitta some time around Beijing.
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Post by #skoskers on Feb 2, 2015 17:46:39 GMT -5
Furst and Guidetti seemed to always get along. Actually, Guidetti resigned first before Furst retired from the national team. Do you have any links that show she and Guidetti had a fall out? I don't think Spasojevic would have made a difference for Serbia, considering she was injured. She would have still been behind Brankica Mihajlovic, Jelena Nikolic and Jovana on the pins. And when did Glinka, Skowronska and Werblinska get cut? Furst definitely left before Guidetti. I'm sure at one point they got along, but that was when she was playing for him at Vakif. Spasojevic has been off the Serbian team for a very long time, it's not just about one injury. She has a better arm than Nikolic, and Mihajlovic is still pretty green. It's really Molnar who got the benefit of her absence. Glinka was way back in 06. Skowronska was in 2010-2011 when Jerzy Matlak was coaching. She didn't come back until after he got fired midseason. Baranska-Werblinska was fighting with Marco Bonitta some time around Beijing. I don't recall Guidetti not inviting Furst to any tourneys because of conflicts (that I had no idea even existed). ;P Also, Mihajlovic just got best spiker at a recent tourney... So, outside of the Polish players, all of whom had been invited back to the Polish NT, are there any current, capable players who have been cut by their coach?
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Post by c4ndlelight on Feb 2, 2015 17:54:09 GMT -5
Furst definitely left before Guidetti. I'm sure at one point they got along, but that was when she was playing for him at Vakif. Spasojevic has been off the Serbian team for a very long time, it's not just about one injury. She has a better arm than Nikolic, and Mihajlovic is still pretty green. It's really Molnar who got the benefit of her absence. Glinka was way back in 06. Skowronska was in 2010-2011 when Jerzy Matlak was coaching. She didn't come back until after he got fired midseason. Baranska-Werblinska was fighting with Marco Bonitta some time around Beijing. I don't recall Guidetti not inviting Furst to any tourneys because of conflicts (that I had no idea even existed). ;P Also, Mihajlovic just got best spiker at a recent tourney... So, outside of the Polish players, all of whom had been invited back to the Polish NT, are there any current, capable players who have been cut by their coach? *Yawn* - Since you seem incapable of google - here: www.sport1.de/volleyball/2014/10/newspage_966625 - plenty of issues. On top of the NT-stuff, she wasn't renewed by Vakif either. The Polish players, who all were invited back to the team, AFTER THE COACH GOT FIRED, is the key piece you are missing there. And why are you glossing over Spasojevic? You asked for if a superstar had ever been cut by a coach, and it happened, and a superstar spent her entire prime not on the national team.
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Post by #skoskers on Feb 2, 2015 18:04:41 GMT -5
I don't recall Guidetti not inviting Furst to any tourneys because of conflicts (that I had no idea even existed). ;P Also, Mihajlovic just got best spiker at a recent tourney... So, outside of the Polish players, all of whom had been invited back to the Polish NT, are there any current, capable players who have been cut by their coach? *Yawn* - Since you seem incapable of google - here: www.sport1.de/volleyball/2014/10/newspage_966625 - plenty of issues. On top of the NT-stuff, she wasn't renewed by Vakif either. The Polish players, who all were invited back to the team, AFTER THE COACH GOT FIRED, is the key piece you are missing there. And why are you glossing over Spasojevic? You asked for if a superstar had ever been cut by a coach, and it happened, and a superstar spent her entire prime not on the national team. I don't believe Spasojevic would have started in the Olympics, man, because she was injured. Also, do you really believe she's as prolific as a player like Destinee and Tom? And I understand that the Polish players had conflicts with their coach, but in the end, they were all invited back to the national team. If anything, their examples portray their coach to be in the wrong. Last, when did Guidetti keep Furst off the floor? Are you saying with definite proof that she didn't leave Vakif because of a better contract at Ecza?
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Post by guest2 on Feb 2, 2015 18:20:05 GMT -5
Can anyone else think of a time when an inexperienced volleyball coach kicked "challenging," professional players (albeit the most talented) off a team, or is this unique to Crotch? It seems to me that coaches are doing everything in their power to get their best talents into their respective gyms. Russia brought Gamova back, and Zé tried to get Fofão back after she retired from the national team. Then there's Crotch Cry, 3-time Olympian who will not be upstaged! >.< Not only has this been done consistently over the years, it has been done regularly in America. The legendary 1984 team would have looked very different had not Dr. Doug told Sinjin, Hov and Dodd to take a hike for attitude. Keba Phipps was kicked off the team for more dubious issues if I remember right. Adam Johnson is another.
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Post by volleyguy on Feb 2, 2015 18:29:42 GMT -5
I don't see it working in a way that either Hooker or Tom return for Rio.
I don't really understand the phrasing of the statement: "... love to see Tom on the team if she could help us."
I have to assume that the poster had something in mind other than Logan's superior passing, defense, experience, blocking, court awareness, volleyball IQ, and her not so shabby attacking and serving.
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Post by #skoskers on Feb 2, 2015 18:37:13 GMT -5
I don't recall Guidetti not inviting Furst to any tourneys because of conflicts (that I had no idea even existed). ;P Also, Mihajlovic just got best spiker at a recent tourney... So, outside of the Polish players, all of whom had been invited back to the Polish NT, are there any current, capable players who have been cut by their coach? *Yawn* - Since you seem incapable of google - here: www.sport1.de/volleyball/2014/10/newspage_966625 - plenty of issues. On top of the NT-stuff, she wasn't renewed by Vakif either. The Polish players, who all were invited back to the team, AFTER THE COACH GOT FIRED, is the key piece you are missing there. And why are you glossing over Spasojevic? You asked for if a superstar had ever been cut by a coach, and it happened, and a superstar spent her entire prime not on the national team. Technically Furst left bc of Guidetti (he didn't cut her), so that's why her example doesn't answer my question of a coach cutting an eligible impact player. You actually believe Anja Spasojevic is a superstar like Destinee Hooker or Logan Tom, even for Team Serbia? Who would she replace on the pins? Malagurski, Nikolic, Jovana, Brankica? I acquiesced about the Polish players' conflicts. Their NT fates, however, were redeemed with invites back to their teams. Their coaches were in the wrong for cutting them.
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Post by ltfan on Feb 2, 2015 18:40:48 GMT -5
*Yawn* - Since you seem incapable of google - here: www.sport1.de/volleyball/2014/10/newspage_966625 - plenty of issues. On top of the NT-stuff, she wasn't renewed by Vakif either. The Polish players, who all were invited back to the team, AFTER THE COACH GOT FIRED, is the key piece you are missing there. And why are you glossing over Spasojevic? You asked for if a superstar had ever been cut by a coach, and it happened, and a superstar spent her entire prime not on the national team. I don't believe Spasojevic would have started in the Olympics, man, because she was injured. Also, do you really believe she's as prolific as a player like Destinee and Tom? And I understand that the Polish players had conflicts with their coach, but in the end, they were all invited back to the national team. If anything, their examples portray their coach to be in the wrong. Last, when did Guidetti keep Furst off the floor? Are you saying with definite proof that she didn't leave Vakif because of a better contract at Ecza? Many times last year during the last matches of the season with Vakif, Furst was speaking about how things got changed in the club, she said she didn't know if they were gonna renew and etc.. Then at the WCH Germany was pretty bad and all players said there was some kind of 'misconnection' with Guidetti (don't remember the exact words) Than she announced her retirement and some days after that, it was said Guidetti will leave Germany.. So yes there were some kind of problems between them. Spasojevic is another situation.. Yes she has been a great player at that time and she got into a fight with Terzic, but also her teammates didn't want her in the team anymore.. So there was a bigger problem, she left after that. However Terzic is famous because of his 'problems' with certain players.. Long ago he got into a fight with Krsmanovic and she got cut too, but than she said she was sorry and was back in the team.. I think there was a 3rd player involved, can't remember who it was, but she got back too.. Before the Olympics Nikolic and Ognjenovic decided they won't play World Cup and he made some public comments about how Jelena played with Vakif and couldn't play for Serbia now. Nobody has said anything but I think he also was in some kind of a fight with Antonijevic who is a super talented setter, but has always been behind Ognjenovic so she didn't want to play, and ended up injured later.. but played for Cannes. Malagurski was not on the roster for the WCH and he said she was injured. Then she tweeted about how she was not, and didn't say anything further. Brakocevic had a recent fight with him because she was obviously not in a great shape, young 17 year old Boskovic was and she was a starter.. so I don't expect to see Jovana back in NT.. So looks like he loves drama! hahahaha Matlak had some problems with Skorupa, the setter. There were 2 very talented setters, one was Skorupa, the other was Radecka.. So he decided he will go with Radecka and Skorupa decided she won't play because she didn't want to be a sub. Also there were strong rumors that Werblinska was in some kind of a fight with Skowronska so Matlak had to decide who to take in WCH 2010. Werblinska was in a great shape, so he took her and cut Skowronska. So looking at all of this I think nothing compares to the loss of Hooker and Tom. Not having their best scorer at that time for Poland - Skowronska, may come close to not having Hooker, but all of the others are just usual players being cut, just like Bown and Alisha in London, Mari and Fabiola for Brazil in London and etc..
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Post by Upfrontvb on Feb 2, 2015 19:03:26 GMT -5
who said he kicked "them" off, or they won't try to get a player back? Because the sweeping opinion on here is that they left voluntarily...? Crap, on my phone, otherwise I'd employ the sarcastic, eye-rolling emoticon. Your funny. You're basing your opinion on the sweeping opinion of VTalkers! Yes all of us are in "the know"
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Post by #skoskers on Feb 2, 2015 19:36:37 GMT -5
Because the sweeping opinion on here is that they left voluntarily...? Crap, on my phone, otherwise I'd employ the sarcastic, eye-rolling emoticon. Your funny. You're basing your opinion on the sweeping opinion of VTalkers! Yes all of us are in "the know" I was being sarcastic via use of a rhetorical question, which is why I lamented about not having an eye-rolling emoticon. I can't be blamed if English isn't your native language. Obviously, the majority of ppl on here think Tom's and Destinee's absences from the NT are involuntary on their part. Way to make yourself look even more irrelevant to the conversation at hand.
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Post by Upfrontvb on Feb 2, 2015 21:10:48 GMT -5
Your funny. You're basing your opinion on the sweeping opinion of VTalkers! Yes all of us are in "the know" I was being sarcastic via use of a rhetorical question, which is why I lamented about not having an eye-rolling emoticon. I can't be blamed if English isn't your native language. Obviously, the majority of ppl on here think Tom's and Destinee's absences from the NT are involuntary on their part. Way to make yourself look even more irrelevant to the conversation at hand. Even funnier! When someone starts name calling or trying to belittle someone, you are the one that becomes irrelevant. Not me. You can block me.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Feb 3, 2015 6:25:58 GMT -5
I don't see it working in a way that either Hooker or Tom return for Rio. I don't really understand the phrasing of the statement: "... love to see Tom on the team if she could help us."
I have to assume that the poster had something in mind other than Logan's superior passing, defense, experience, blocking, court awareness, volleyball IQ, and her not so shabby attacking and serving.
Not sure what there is to understand about? Where Hooker is right now as a player, and where she is in her career, it's an absolute certainty that she could help the NT in a big way. I made that statement about Tom because given where she is in her career, and that she has all but said she isnt interested in returning to the NT, that it isnt a certainty that she could help the NT in Rio in a significant way. I dont believe I am the only one that shares that sentiment, although you certainly believe that I am. It would seem that me calling Tom a "legend" "the greatest womens player in US history" isnt enough to convince you I am not anti-Tom. Hooker would be a slam dunk starter, and I don't believe in another year and a half Tom would be, thus "if she could help us" Again, not sure how hard it is to understand that statement. You may disagree, which I respect, but the statement isn't very difficult to understand.
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Post by #skoskers on Feb 3, 2015 9:11:12 GMT -5
I don't see it working in a way that either Hooker or Tom return for Rio. I don't really understand the phrasing of the statement: "... love to see Tom on the team if she could help us."
I have to assume that the poster had something in mind other than Logan's superior passing, defense, experience, blocking, court awareness, volleyball IQ, and her not so shabby attacking and serving.
Not sure what there is to understand about? Where Hooker is right now as a player, and where she is in her career, it's an absolute certainty that she could help the NT in a big way. I made that statement about Tom because given where she is in her career, and that she has all but said she isnt interested in returning to the NT, that it isnt a certainty that she could help the NT in Rio in a significant way. I dont believe I am the only one that shares that sentiment, although you certainly believe that I am. It would seem that me calling Tom a "legend" "the greatest womens player in US history" isnt enough to convince you I am not anti-Tom. Hooker would be a slam dunk starter, and I don't believe in another year and a half Tom would be, thus "if she could help us" Again, not sure how hard it is to understand that statement. You may disagree, which I respect, but the statement isn't very difficult to understand. Slam-dunk player, huh? I like this! And, no, I'm not being sarcastic.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Feb 3, 2015 9:49:12 GMT -5
Not sure what there is to understand about? Where Hooker is right now as a player, and where she is in her career, it's an absolute certainty that she could help the NT in a big way. I made that statement about Tom because given where she is in her career, and that she has all but said she isnt interested in returning to the NT, that it isnt a certainty that she could help the NT in Rio in a significant way. I dont believe I am the only one that shares that sentiment, although you certainly believe that I am. It would seem that me calling Tom a "legend" "the greatest womens player in US history" isnt enough to convince you I am not anti-Tom. Hooker would be a slam dunk starter, and I don't believe in another year and a half Tom would be, thus "if she could help us" Again, not sure how hard it is to understand that statement. You may disagree, which I respect, but the statement isn't very difficult to understand. Slam-dunk player, huh? I like this! And, no, I'm not being sarcastic. I certainly think Hooker is a slam dunk starter for the US, they don't have a player that can do what she does, and believe you have to have that kind of player to win vs the best in the world, at their best.
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Post by kro2488 on Feb 3, 2015 10:05:36 GMT -5
Slam-dunk player, huh? I like this! And, no, I'm not being sarcastic. I certainly think Hooker is a slam dunk starter for the US, they don't have a player that can do what she does, and believe you have to have that kind of player to win vs the best in the world, at their best. If play against Brazil and self destruct like we did last time it won't matter if we have Hooker or not. I'm hoping this group we have will steady out...and not blink in the big matches later in the Olympic tournament. That was the worst implosioN after dominating a first set I have ever seen. What I don't want to see is if she is not on the team for Rio we don't disrespect the rest of the team and say that just because she wasn't there it changed the outcome which would be short sighted and ridiculous for many reasons. This is a TEAM sport winning a medal and long term success depend on having a functional whole....everyone focused low error and being positive even during rough patches. That's what I want to see...
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