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Post by #skoskers on Feb 20, 2015 15:52:20 GMT -5
IKR, once Kadie, Justine and Briana graduate, we'll change that number to six. Briana is good, but I don't see her on the national team, and unless she becomes foluke good, I wouldn't attribute her success to nebraksa, considering she's coming in as a first teamer. And I doubt kadie has any long term future with the national team. She's good in college, but not outstanding. And with people like HILL, murphy, Larson, etc in their prime right now, I doubt kadie will make any big roster. Now Justine has a legit shot. That girl is scary good. So any progression Briana makes in her career at Nebraska can't be attributed to the coaching? Funny, because she said that Nebraska appealed to her for its coaching and its ability to develop players and help them realize their dreams of becoming top players that play professionally. If players like Jackson, Hood, Klineman, Paolini, Lichtman, Miyashiro and Gibbemeyer can be relevant to NT discussions, I like Bri's chances. I mention Kadie, because I feel she's a better player now, before her junior year, than Jordan was in between her sophomore and junior year. It's hard to compare both players, because both played on completely different rosters, but IMO Kadie would have hit over .350 if she had Pavan, Houghtelling, Elmer, Stalls and Saleaumua surrounding her instead of... well, last year's team.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Feb 20, 2015 15:53:01 GMT -5
Melissa elmer led her club team to hold at the junior olympics, so I'm almost positive she was highly recruited. I don't know what rank christina was, but brooke was 25, so pretty high up, not exactly a diamond in the rough, but still a good player. So ill give cook that. Again, I'm not saying cook is bad at developing talent, but he doesn't get the recruits that hawaii and oregon do. Even Jmac. Washington makes the best at what they get, and so does oregon and hawaii and makes them into AA. Russ gets the cream of the crop, but every top recruit he gets that STARTS, usually becomes an All American. Cook can't say the same thing IMO FWIW Jordan said Cook was one of her best coaches she's ever had when she came back to a red-white scrimmage or during a break from playing overseas when she practiced with the team. I remember how Cook talked about how Jordan really improved her digging/passing at the banquet in her senior year, and how she developed into the best player to ever graduate from Nebraska volleyball, so there's that... Regardless of ranks, you obviously have no idea how much Cook had to work with Elmer to develop her into an AA and set the NCAA record for blocks. Ask any Husker fan who followed the team during her years, and they'll remember article after article in the newspapers about Cook talking about how Elmer was the type of player he didn't give up on. He said after her freshman year that she would likely ride the bench unless he could inspire her to greatness, and clearly he succeeded as she had standout junior and senior years. Banwarth and Houghtelling are two examples that can't be neglected. Neither was ranked high coming out of HS, yet they became judged to be the best at their position at some point in their careers. Banwarth is now our starting libero on the NT, and Houghtelling earned NPOY in 2005. BOOM! And outside of Broekhuis, I can't think of a top recruit that started at Nebraska that never got AA honors. Can you? So far amber, Haggerty, cooper (I understand she had an injury). Again, not ONCE did I say cook was bad, and if you can point that out, that would be great. But Do I think he beats moore, Jmac, Shoji, Rose? No. And is that outrageous? Absolutely not. I think cook is one of the BEST coaches in the game, and will go down as one of the best coaches in the history of volleyball, but I don't think his greatest skill is developing talent. Nebraska next year will have more players ranked in prep volleyballs history top ten, than hawaii has ever had, since prep volleyball started. And minus croson, (Who would of been an AA had she stayed), His other recruit ranked in the top ten, became a four time AA. He took hewitt, who wasn't even in the top 100, and made her into an AA, lead the nation in blocks, and IMO before injury, would of been an AA. (can't garuntee that though). I have the upmost respect for nebraska volleyball, but the get the players who are already AA status coming out of high school, and usually keep them there.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Feb 20, 2015 15:54:34 GMT -5
Briana is good, but I don't see her on the national team, and unless she becomes foluke good, I wouldn't attribute her success to nebraksa, considering she's coming in as a first teamer. And I doubt kadie has any long term future with the national team. She's good in college, but not outstanding. And with people like HILL, murphy, Larson, etc in their prime right now, I doubt kadie will make any big roster. Now Justine has a legit shot. That girl is scary good. So any progression Briana makes in her career at Nebraska can't be attributed to the coaching? Funny, because she said that Nebraska appealed to her for its coaching and its ability to develop players and help them realize their dreams of becoming top players that play professionally. If players like Jackson, Hood, Klineman, Paolini, Lichtman, Miyashiro and Gibbemeyer can be relevant to NT discussions, I like Bri's chances. I mention Kadie, because I feel she's a better player now, before her junior year, than Jordan was in between her sophomore and junior year. It's hard to compare both players, because both played on completely different rosters, but IMO Kadie would have hit over .350 if she had Pavan, Houghtelling, Elmer, Stalls and Saleaumua surrounding her instead of... well, last year's team. I said you can't say nebraksa developed her into some stellar player, unless she makes absolute leaps and bounds because she was ALREADY a good player. Its like inky transferring to hawaii. I would never once say dave made her into the player she is, because she was ALREADY an ALL AMERICAN.Mind you, BRI will be playing behind Foluke, Adams, Tori, Dietzen, and most likely inky. I doubt she will make any noise on the national team. Will she make it? Probably, but she will have a klineman role, and thats an absolute backup player. I have no doubt she will play pro and be good, but I have doubts about the national team.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Feb 20, 2015 15:58:05 GMT -5
Briana is good, but I don't see her on the national team, and unless she becomes foluke good, I wouldn't attribute her success to nebraksa, considering she's coming in as a first teamer. And I doubt kadie has any long term future with the national team. She's good in college, but not outstanding. And with people like HILL, murphy, Larson, etc in their prime right now, I doubt kadie will make any big roster. Now Justine has a legit shot. That girl is scary good. So any progression Briana makes in her career at Nebraska can't be attributed to the coaching? Funny, because she said that Nebraska appealed to her for its coaching and its ability to develop players and help them realize their dreams of becoming top players that play professionally. If players like Jackson, Hood, Klineman, Paolini, Lichtman, Miyashiro and Gibbemeyer can be relevant to NT discussions, I like Bri's chances. I mention Kadie, because I feel she's a better player now, before her junior year, than Jordan was in between her sophomore and junior year. It's hard to compare both players, because both played on completely different rosters, but IMO Kadie would have hit over .350 if she had Pavan, Houghtelling, Elmer, Stalls and Saleaumua surrounding her instead of... well, last year's team. Everyone is way better between Pavan and Hotel, what you arent recognizing is Jordan was levels better between the ears than Kadie is at this point. Similar athletes and tools, but there is where the significant difference lies.
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Post by NebraskaVBfan93 on Feb 20, 2015 15:58:54 GMT -5
Kayla Banwarth, Melissa Elmer (NCAA record holder for blocks), Christina Houghtelling (2005 NPOY), Brooke Delano... Melissa elmer led her club team to hold at the junior olympics, so I'm almost positive she was highly recruited. I don't know what rank christina was, but brooke was 25, so pretty high up, not exactly a diamond in the rough, but still a good player. So ill give cook that. Again, I'm not saying cook is bad at developing talent, but he doesn't get the recruits that hawaii and oregon do. Even Jmac. Washington makes the best at what they get, and so does oregon and hawaii and makes them into AA. Russ gets the cream of the crop, but every top recruit he gets that STARTS, usually becomes an All American. Cook can't say the same thing IMO I remember horror stories about how much Elmer had to learn when she first got to NE. She is a terrific example of someone who made HUGE gains once she got to college.
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Post by vup on Feb 20, 2015 16:01:04 GMT -5
So any progression Briana makes in her career at Nebraska can't be attributed to the coaching? Funny, because she said that Nebraska appealed to her for its coaching and its ability to develop players and help them realize their dreams of becoming top players that play professionally. If players like Jackson, Hood, Klineman, Paolini, Lichtman, Miyashiro and Gibbemeyer can be relevant to NT discussions, I like Bri's chances. I mention Kadie, because I feel she's a better player now, before her junior year, than Jordan was in between her sophomore and junior year. It's hard to compare both players, because both played on completely different rosters, but IMO Kadie would have hit over .350 if she had Pavan, Houghtelling, Elmer, Stalls and Saleaumua surrounding her instead of... well, last year's team. Everyone is way better between Pavan and Hotel, what you arent recognizing is Jordan was levels better between the ears than Kadie is at this point. Similar athletes and tools, but there is where the significant difference lies. Yup. Unfortunately, I think you nailed it.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Feb 20, 2015 16:02:13 GMT -5
Melissa elmer led her club team to hold at the junior olympics, so I'm almost positive she was highly recruited. I don't know what rank christina was, but brooke was 25, so pretty high up, not exactly a diamond in the rough, but still a good player. So ill give cook that. Again, I'm not saying cook is bad at developing talent, but he doesn't get the recruits that hawaii and oregon do. Even Jmac. Washington makes the best at what they get, and so does oregon and hawaii and makes them into AA. Russ gets the cream of the crop, but every top recruit he gets that STARTS, usually becomes an All American. Cook can't say the same thing IMO I remember horror stories about how much Elmer had to learn when she first got to NE. She is a terrific example of someone who made HUGE gains once she got to college. I never said she didn't make HUGE gains, But I have a hard time believing someone who led her team to a GOLD at Junior olympics wasn't highly recruited or good coming out of high school. I don't think prep was out by then, but correct me if I'm wrong, but someone who leads their team must of been recruited highly by a lot of schools. Again, Im not saying cook isn't amazing at what he does, I just think there are people better
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Post by #skoskers on Feb 20, 2015 16:03:07 GMT -5
I never claimed that you said Cook was a bad coach. I provided five quality examples of players he developed to illustrate his coaching abilities.
BTW, who has JMac famously developed?
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Post by vbprisoner on Feb 20, 2015 16:06:52 GMT -5
I am not saying Shoji does not belong in the top 5 but Hartsong was a stud before she transferred to Hawaii. She did move positions but she was already a great player, and no one really knows if she was good as a back row player before she became an OH.
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Post by volleyguy on Feb 20, 2015 16:11:01 GMT -5
I am not saying Shoji does not belong in the top 5 but Hartsong was a stud before she transferred to Hawaii. She did move positions but she was already a great player, and no one really knows if she was good as a back row player before she became an OH. I think her club coach knew that.
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Post by #skoskers on Feb 20, 2015 16:19:02 GMT -5
Dorothy, we're just gonna have to disagree; I really do think Kadie is a better player at this point in her career than Jordan was after her sophomore year. Clearly, you're not impressed with her supposed attitude, but attitude aside, I feel she makes smarter choices with (hit-able) sets; I also am more impressed with her digging and passing than Jordan's sophomore and freshman years.
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Post by #skoskers on Feb 20, 2015 16:25:30 GMT -5
Dot, all I'm doing is stating my opinion about Kadie and Jordan. We disagree, and it's not the first time we've disagreed. Get over it.
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Post by #skoskers on Feb 20, 2015 16:26:16 GMT -5
Back to point: which players has JMac developed?
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Post by dorothymantooth on Feb 20, 2015 16:29:47 GMT -5
Dot, all I'm doing is stating my opinion about Kadie and Jordan. We disagree, and it's not the first time we've disagreed. Get over it. I have no problem with you disagreeing, rather lack of judgement.
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Post by NebraskaVBfan93 on Feb 20, 2015 16:30:22 GMT -5
Everyone is way better between Pavan and Hotel, what you arent recognizing is Jordan was levels better between the ears than Kadie is at this point. Similar athletes and tools, but there is where the significant difference lies. Better between the ears? You're kidding right...I don't mean to knock Jordan, but there was a valid concern that she would be accepted at Nebraska b/c of her grades at Logan View. How do I know this? Her father Kevin and her mom Kay told my parents this at her graduation party. And did Cook not ever tell you about Jordan's grades in her freshman and sophomore years at Nebraska? Classless post.
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