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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 16:53:01 GMT -5
Dorothy, we're just gonna have to disagree; I really do think Kadie is a better player at this point in her career than Jordan was after her sophomore year. Clearly, you're not impressed with her supposed attitude, but attitude aside, I feel she makes smarter choices with (hit-able) sets; I also am more impressed with her digging and passing than Jordan's sophomore and freshman years. I think you should go and rewatch matches from Jordan's sophomore year. She wasn't a first team All-American simply because Pavan was on the floor. The two together were the best duo EVER at Nebraska in terms of offensive production. How come we didn't see that with Robo and Kadie? Or Houghtelling and Pavan even? They relied on them more than Nebraska relied on Jordan and Sarah in 06 (they also had Stalls, Cooper, and Mancuso). I also don't agree with Kadie having a higher volleyball IQ. Jordan has always been lauded for that skill. I find Kadie to be a little too inconsistent, who simply rips balls when she's in trouble. It's also worth stating that Jordan was the number 2 recruit in the country coming into her freshman year. I think Jordan's serve and block were also much better than Kadie's during their respective sophomore years. I don't think Kadie will do what Jordan did senior year either. I don't see the fire and leadership that Jordan started to show even in her sophomore year. People doubted Nebraska because they lost so many All-Americans, and Jordan CARRIED that team throughout the season and was a candidate for POY, during one of (in my opinion) the most competitive times in collegiate volleyball history. Many people forget that although they were ranked 4th in the tournament, they split the series with Texas, beat Stanford and USC, and were 2nd the majority of the season (until losing a fluke to Colorado). That being said, I think 2006-2009 were some of the most competitive years of NCAA volleyball ever, with some of the best talent (see our National Team). I don't think Kadie would have thrived as Jordan did. You're entitled to your opinion for sure, but I think the fact Jordan was a first teamer her sophomore year and Kadie a third teamer kind of disproves your point, especially given the competition at the time. P.S. I also don't agree JMac is better at "developing talent" than Cook, but wouldn't call Cook one of the best either. Jordan is world-class, and I think we can attribute her success to her personality, volleyball IQ and athleticism.
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Post by #skoskers on Feb 20, 2015 16:55:23 GMT -5
Dorothy, we're just gonna have to disagree; I really do think Kadie is a better player at this point in her career than Jordan was after her sophomore year. Clearly, you're not impressed with her supposed attitude, but attitude aside, I feel she makes smarter choices with (hit-able) sets; I also am more impressed with her digging and passing than Jordan's sophomore and freshman years. I think you should go and rewatch matches from Jordan's sophomore year. She wasn't a first team All-American simply because Pavan was on the floor. The two together were the best duo EVER at Nebraska in terms of offensive production. How come we didn't see that with Robo and Kadie? Or Houghtelling and Pavan even? They relied on them more than Nebraska relied on Jordan and Sarah in 06 (they also had Stalls, Cooper, and Mancuso). I also don't agree with Kadie having a higher volleyball IQ. Jordan has always been lauded for that skill. I find Kadie to be a little too inconsistent, who simply rips balls when she's in trouble. It's also worth stating that Jordan was the number 2 recruit in the country coming into her freshman year. I think Jordan's serve and block were also much better than Kadie's during their respective sophomore years. I don't think Kadie will do what Jordan did senior year either. I don't see the fire and leadership that Jordan started to show even in her sophomore year. People doubted Nebraska because they lost so many All-Americans, and Jordan CARRIED that team throughout the season and was a candidate for POY, during one of (in my opinion) the most competitive times in collegiate volleyball history. Many people forget that although they were ranked 4th in the tournament, they split the series with Texas, beat Stanford and USC, and were 2nd the majority of the season (until losing a fluke to Colorado). You're entitled to your opinion for sure, but I think the fact Jordan was a first teamer her sophomore year and Kadie a third teamer kind of disproves your point. P.S. I also don't agree JMac is better at "developing talent" than Cook, but wouldn't call Cook one of the best either. Jordan is world-class, and I think we can attribute her success to her personality, volleyball IQ and athleticism. I agree with most of your points. We might disagree over some of them, but we still have two more years to see what Kadie can do. For that, I'm excited for the future!
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Post by #skoskers on Feb 20, 2015 17:02:15 GMT -5
I'm still waiting to hear how JMac or Shoji are better at developing players.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Feb 20, 2015 18:25:10 GMT -5
I'm still waiting to hear how JMac or Shoji are better at developing players. I was at work but lets list girls BOTH coaches have developed who weren't high on any big schools radar. Jmac, Tamari myashiro, Kaleigh Nelson, Courtney Thompson, Rowland. I can see why you think cook is better than jmac, but IMO he's not. Shoji shouldn't even be debated and you know that. Hartong, Hewitt, Cubi Oteneru, Duggins, Prince. kamanao was ranked pretty high, but wasn't even the top setter of her class, but blossomed under shoji and is one of only 2, four time AA setters. Shoji constantly COMPETES with every school who has numerous top ten talent on their team, and always finds a way to win. If you really think cook, who gets the cream of the crop talent and has more top ten talent RIGHT NOW on his roster than shoji ever has, you're delusional.
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Post by NebraskaVBfan93 on Feb 20, 2015 18:40:34 GMT -5
I'm still waiting to hear how JMac or Shoji are better at developing players. I was at work but lets list girls BOTH coaches have developed who weren't high on any big schools radar. Jmac, Tamari myashiro, Kaleigh Nelson, Courtney Thompson, Rowland. I can see why you think cook is better than jmac, but IMO he's not. Shoji shouldn't even be debated and you know that. Hartong, Hewitt, Cubi Oteneru, Duggins, Prince. kamanao was ranked pretty high, but wasn't even the top setter of her class, but blossomed under shoji and is one of only 2, four time AA setters. Shoji constantly COMPETES with every school who has numerous top ten talent on their team, and always finds a way to win. If you really think cook, who gets the cream of the crop talent and has more top ten talent RIGHT NOW on his roster than shoji ever has, you're delusional. All the coaches you are mentioning are from "big schools" so all the girls you're also mentioning were pretty highly regarded.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Feb 20, 2015 18:43:14 GMT -5
I was at work but lets list girls BOTH coaches have developed who weren't high on any big schools radar. Jmac, Tamari myashiro, Kaleigh Nelson, Courtney Thompson, Rowland. I can see why you think cook is better than jmac, but IMO he's not. Shoji shouldn't even be debated and you know that. Hartong, Hewitt, Cubi Oteneru, Duggins, Prince. kamanao was ranked pretty high, but wasn't even the top setter of her class, but blossomed under shoji and is one of only 2, four time AA setters. Shoji constantly COMPETES with every school who has numerous top ten talent on their team, and always finds a way to win. If you really think cook, who gets the cream of the crop talent and has more top ten talent RIGHT NOW on his roster than shoji ever has, you're delusional. All the coaches you are mentioning are from "big schools" so all the girls you're also mentioning were pretty highly regarded. Nelson wasn't even top 100. Rowland was 250. Hartong was 48 I believe, but became an AA at 2 different positions. Hewitt wasnt top 100 and aneli was in the 90s i believe and duggins wasnt highly recruited. Cook is amazing at what he does, but shoji and Jim are better.
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Post by NebraskaVBfan93 on Feb 20, 2015 19:07:10 GMT -5
All the coaches you are mentioning are from "big schools" so all the girls you're also mentioning were pretty highly regarded. Nelson wasn't even top 100. Rowland was 250. Hartong was 48 I believe, but became an AA at 2 different positions. Hewitt wasnt top 100 and aneli was in the 90s i believe and duggins wasnt highly recruited. Cook is amazing at what he does, but shoji and Jim are better. You're criteria was "girls who weren't on any big school's radar" not girls who weren't highly touted by a recruiting service. Don't change the rules mid-debate
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Feb 20, 2015 19:20:16 GMT -5
I'd also say the same for Wahinefan and Wolfgang, two great ambassadors for Hawaii volleyball. Looks like NU's honeymoon with wahinefan is over, lol.
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Post by kro2488 on Feb 20, 2015 20:46:05 GMT -5
Developing players credit belongs to the entire coaching staff, and the others they practice against every day. It's not like one person only molds and develops the player.
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Post by chisovnik on Feb 20, 2015 21:15:41 GMT -5
Rose and Shoji. It's not even a debate.
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Post by akbar on Feb 20, 2015 21:18:34 GMT -5
Rose and Shoji. It's not even a debate. Ummm....ok
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Post by blastingsand on Feb 22, 2015 15:17:28 GMT -5
Why has this thread been hijacked into a story about the NU program? did they really have a bunch of nobody recruits that had to go into a team without much teammate support and become great players by the end of college?
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Post by austintatious on Feb 22, 2015 21:25:11 GMT -5
Dorothy, we're just gonna have to disagree; I really do think Kadie is a better player at this point in her career than Jordan was after her sophomore year. Clearly, you're not impressed with her supposed attitude, but attitude aside, I feel she makes smarter choices with (hit-able) sets; I also am more impressed with her digging and passing than Jordan's sophomore and freshman years. It is not a supposed attitude. It was on display numerous times. Sulk on the NT or get on your setter is the quickest way to oblivion. There are loads of talented players with equally awesome skills, the most balanced emotionally are the ones that are keepers.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Feb 22, 2015 21:41:45 GMT -5
Dorothy, we're just gonna have to disagree; I really do think Kadie is a better player at this point in her career than Jordan was after her sophomore year. Clearly, you're not impressed with her supposed attitude, but attitude aside, I feel she makes smarter choices with (hit-able) sets; I also am more impressed with her digging and passing than Jordan's sophomore and freshman years. It is not a supposed attitude. It was on display numerous times. Sulk on the NT or get on your setter is the quickest way to oblivion. There are loads of talented players with equally awesome skills, the most balanced emotionally are the ones that are keepers. Agreed. I MUCH prefer amber. She doesn't seem as much of a diva. She seems more humble. There are two types of people like Kadie. You have your logan toms, the ones who PUSH their teams, and may at times come off as harsh, but she wants everyone to be better. And you have your Kadies, who IMO, are just down on their teammates way to much and throw temper tantrums (texas 2013)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 12:40:58 GMT -5
It is not a supposed attitude. It was on display numerous times. Sulk on the NT or get on your setter is the quickest way to oblivion. There are loads of talented players with equally awesome skills, the most balanced emotionally are the ones that are keepers. Agreed. I MUCH prefer amber. She doesn't seem as much of a diva. She seems more humble. There are two types of people like Kadie. You have your logan toms, the ones who PUSH their teams, and may at times come off as harsh, but she wants everyone to be better. And you have your Kadies, who IMO, are just down on their teammates way to much and throw temper tantrums (texas 2013) Not to mention Amber is a much better blocker. If Kadie had Amber's block then maybe I would start to consider Kadie and Jordan to be similar.
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