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Post by owlsem on Apr 7, 2015 21:48:50 GMT -5
Yes but I think there will be less than 14 in open unless some other teams move up from USA. Moving so far was a bad idea.
There are a total of 100 teams in 18's and with a morning and afternoon wave it would only require 13 courts. If the convention center could not handle it then there are 6 volleyball facilities that are nicer than the convention center within 20 miles that could have handled it. I suspect there is something more at play here causing what is a very bad result.
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Post by backrowdad on Apr 7, 2015 21:52:34 GMT -5
I think 18 Open is down to 12 from what I've heard. Spoke with a DI coach last weekend at Big South and asked him if that caused any issues in recruiting, he wasn't even aware of the Houston debacle but said thankfully he was already full for 2015 so he's not looking at 18's.
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Post by elevationvb on Apr 7, 2015 21:55:12 GMT -5
No it's a Lone Star Region and North Texas Region decision. The Dallas convention Center had another event going on at the same time probably and they were probably short 15-20 courts, so instead of the 125+ courts plus the convention arena for the college classic they had last year they only had 100-110 courts. They then figure the 18's draw the fewest paying attendance because many girls from NTR drive themselves and their parents may attend the last day so they would move them to Houston where the facility rental is less expensive, but they would still cover costs. In the end it is all about the money. Is the George R. Brown Convention Center really less expensive than the Dallas Convention Center? But not understanding why the OP thinks this is such a big issue? How many clubs / teams who are seriously interested in a winning a bid to Nationals are going to skip. Which team that has unsigned seniors who have a chance to play college vb are going to skip? If I were a parent, that would tick me off. Yea it may suck for the college coaches but they deal with these kind of choices every year during the qualifying season. Hell, this past weekend they had to make decisions about 3 national qualifiers around the country along with their own spring matches. I believe Texas had a couple of coaches on the recruiting trail. The Lonestar Classic is usually the last tournament of the season for many Texas clubs and is the most significant tournament on the schedule for many of the clubs. Can't see that many skipping, but could be wrong. Anyway, 18's is the easiest to move since the amount of teams is less than the younger groups.
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Post by elevationvb on Apr 7, 2015 21:59:20 GMT -5
I think 18 Open is down to 12 from what I've heard. Spoke with a DI coach last weekend at Big South and asked him if that caused any issues in recruiting, he wasn't even aware of the Houston debacle but said thankfully he was already full for 2015 so he's not looking at 18's. Was he with a Texas Club?
And not a real surprise that 18 Open would have less teams. Many if not most teams who want a bid at this stage are playing in the other levels.
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Post by pancake83 on Apr 8, 2015 11:02:50 GMT -5
No it's a Lone Star Region and North Texas Region decision. The Dallas convention Center had another event going on at the same time probably and they were probably short 15-20 courts, so instead of the 125+ courts plus the convention arena for the college classic they had last year they only had 100-110 courts. They then figure the 18's draw the fewest paying attendance because many girls from NTR drive themselves and their parents may attend the last day so they would move them to Houston where the facility rental is less expensive, but they would still cover costs. In the end it is all about the money. Is the George R. Brown Convention Center really less expensive than the Dallas Convention Center? But not understanding why the OP thinks this is such a big issue? How many clubs / teams who are seriously interested in a winning a bid to Nationals are going to skip. Which team that has unsigned seniors who have a chance to play college vb are going to skip? If I were a parent, that would tick me off. Yea it may suck for the college coaches but they deal with these kind of choices every year during the qualifying season. Hell, this past weekend they had to make decisions about 3 national qualifiers around the country along with their own spring matches. I believe Texas had a couple of coaches on the recruiting trail. The Lonestar Classic is usually the last tournament of the season for many Texas clubs and is the most significant tournament on the schedule for many of the clubs. Can't see that many skipping, but could be wrong. Anyway, 18's is the easiest to move since the amount of teams is less than the younger groups. There were actually 4 national qualifiers last weekend for coaches to choose from. Some staffs sent all three of their coaches to different locations, or one coach was going to Chicago for one day, then to Atlanta the next... That just comes down to when the convention centers are available - most of the events are booked years in advance. This is a shame for the sophomores or juniors playing on 18's at LSC - hard to get noticed from a smaller pool of coaches attending. I really think this boils down to the most likely outcome of USAV getting rid of the 18's division in the very near future. They have had polls on whether to do so or not, I could see this happening sooner rather than later.
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Post by elevationvb on Apr 8, 2015 11:40:48 GMT -5
Is the George R. Brown Convention Center really less expensive than the Dallas Convention Center? But not understanding why the OP thinks this is such a big issue? How many clubs / teams who are seriously interested in a winning a bid to Nationals are going to skip. Which team that has unsigned seniors who have a chance to play college vb are going to skip? If I were a parent, that would tick me off. Yea it may suck for the college coaches but they deal with these kind of choices every year during the qualifying season. Hell, this past weekend they had to make decisions about 3 national qualifiers around the country along with their own spring matches. I believe Texas had a couple of coaches on the recruiting trail. The Lonestar Classic is usually the last tournament of the season for many Texas clubs and is the most significant tournament on the schedule for many of the clubs. Can't see that many skipping, but could be wrong. Anyway, 18's is the easiest to move since the amount of teams is less than the younger groups. There were actually 4 national qualifiers last weekend for coaches to choose from. Some staffs sent all three of their coaches to different locations, or one coach was going to Chicago for one day, then to Atlanta the next... That just comes down to when the convention centers are available - most of the events are booked years in advance. This is a shame for the sophomores or juniors playing on 18's at LSC - hard to get noticed from a smaller pool of coaches attending. I really think this boils down to the most likely outcome of USAV getting rid of the 18's division in the very near future. They have had polls on whether to do so or not, I could see this happening sooner rather than later. 4? Wow. When did Chicago get a national qualifier?
Good point about the 18's division being eliminated at some point. Basketball does not allow players who have signed their LOI to compete but it's okay in volleyball. I guess each organization makes the decision?
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Post by zenyada on Apr 8, 2015 11:48:10 GMT -5
Last weekend was more problematic for coaches and recruits with 4 qualifiers on the same dates. Many coaches attended one day then jettisoned for another. They travelled distances greater than Dallas to Houston and across time zones. In an unattainable perfect world maybe all qualifiers would be on separate dates and include all ages down to 15....errr maybe 13's the way things are going.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 8, 2015 11:52:55 GMT -5
USAV propsed ending the 18s season early, not scrapping it altogether.
Get rid of 18s? Because college coaches want their plays to not see any competitive action for the Spring coming into their freshman years? (I bet early enrollment would become nearly mandatory).
Also, that would be terrible for late bloomers, and imagine the recruiting stress and accelerated timelines if there wasn't an 18s year.
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Post by elevationvb on Apr 8, 2015 11:55:39 GMT -5
USAV propsed ending the 18s season early, not scrapping it altogether. Get rid of 18s? Because college coaches want their plays to not see any competitive action for the Spring coming into their freshman years? (I bet early enrollment would become nearly mandatory). Also, that would be terrible for late bloomers, and imagine the recruiting stress and accelerated timelines if there wasn't an 18s year. It seems to work okay for basketball. The high school season does end in February / March. But the policy only applies to players who have signed their LOI's. Unsigned Seniors can still play - often on Next Level type teams.
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Post by coachwpassion on Apr 8, 2015 12:32:37 GMT -5
SO USAV is thinking of eliminating all 18's levels (Open, USA< American, Select) due to less teams competing in year end tournaments? Is this what I am reading? Seems very weird
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Post by vbprisoner on Apr 8, 2015 12:35:44 GMT -5
C4ndle is correct. USAV had discussed the 18s season ending in late April and if they continued to have Nationals it would be in early to mid-May.
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Post by transformer on Apr 8, 2015 13:37:03 GMT -5
SO USAV is thinking of eliminating all 18's levels (Open, USA< American, Select) due to less teams competing in year end tournaments? Is this what I am reading? Seems very weird I highly doubt they would eliminate it- that would mean they would lose money - USAV is not in the business to lose money.
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Post by nakedcrayon on Apr 8, 2015 13:37:25 GMT -5
A couple of points to be made regarding next weekend. 18s in Houston was limited in the American and USA DIVISIONS. That is why there are only 100 teams. Also the rumor is the courts will have much more adeqate serving space (additional 8-10 feet more from the endline the are normally required. Not sure this was a great idea and it will likely be a one year thing because of convention space howver I would have made Houston a Saturday Sunday Monday tourney giving coaches an extra day of recruiting
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Post by pepperbrooks on Apr 8, 2015 13:51:27 GMT -5
SO USAV is thinking of eliminating all 18's levels (Open, USA< American, Select) due to less teams competing in year end tournaments? Is this what I am reading? Seems very weird I highly doubt they would eliminate it- that would mean they would lose money - USAV is not in the business to lose money. Agreed. NO WAY does the USAV just give up all that money they get from the 18s.
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Post by Not Me on Apr 8, 2015 14:18:31 GMT -5
Usav is moving some of the 18s divisions of nationals up to May.
Starting next year all bids for Open, usa, and national must be given out by March 15.
So any qualifier after that date won't have those divisions. Qualifiers will have to hold a separate event earlier to award those bids
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