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Post by 642fiddi on Apr 9, 2015 12:12:30 GMT -5
seriously this is the stupidest idea ever. Of course it is. Which makes it likely that the USAV is seriously considering it.
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Post by sevb on Apr 9, 2015 12:14:52 GMT -5
I don't know why the USAV cares. Of all the things to take a stand on, THIS is what you do? All the other dumb things that go on? USAV stands to make a great deal of money off of all this... Im not privileged to what USAVs cut is of each qualifier... but creating new events JUST for this age group will add to that revenue... no way they do it for free
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Post by vbprisoner on Apr 9, 2015 12:54:33 GMT -5
Either way, a shift in the 18's division is happening whether people like it or not. I think it's going to cost the clubs running the qualifiers more money to reserve a convention center for an additional weekend to accommodate for the March 15 deadline. It won't cost the Clubs running the qualifiers any more money.......They will increase the fees for attending teams which means player/parent participation costs go up.
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Post by sizzlincatfish on Apr 9, 2015 14:44:00 GMT -5
I don't know why the USAV cares. Of all the things to take a stand on, THIS is what you do? All the other dumb things that go on? USAV stands to make a great deal of money off of all this... Im not privileged to what USAVs cut is of each qualifier... but creating new events JUST for this age group will add to that revenue... no way they do it for free Then I would expect them to soon run each age division in a different city in June / July. I mean, why not?
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Post by n00b on Apr 10, 2015 8:58:47 GMT -5
I don't know why the USAV cares. Of all the things to take a stand on, THIS is what you do? All the other dumb things that go on? USAV stands to make a great deal of money off of all this... Im not privileged to what USAVs cut is of each qualifier... but creating new events JUST for this age group will add to that revenue... no way they do it for free Let me preface this by saying I am in no way a fan of USA Volleyball in the juniors market. I've been very happily associated with JVA clubs for most of my career. HOWEVER, this was a push from club directors to end 18s early, NOT an edict from USA Volleyball. High school seniors have proms and graduations in the spring, plus many go away to college early in the summer before nationals start in July. I'm not sure anybody knows quite how the logistics will work and if there will be unintended consequences but moving 18s earlier is not a money grab for USA Volleyball.
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Post by pancake83 on Apr 10, 2015 9:31:12 GMT -5
Either way, a shift in the 18's division is happening whether people like it or not. I think it's going to cost the clubs running the qualifiers more money to reserve a convention center for an additional weekend to accommodate for the March 15 deadline. how many qualifier convention centers are already booked 3 years ahead.. there is only like 1 or 2 that are earlier then March 15 - this is not a solution. I'm not even sure why USAV cares if seniors leave early - they still get their money and usually the team gets filled with younger kids. sure the team isn't as good as it could have been- but they paid. Im sorry - this whole thing is stupid. like the new JVA - ( which isn't so new) but hurts kids that play - coaches can only recruit so many weekends. sure top level can go everywhere and go a lot, but those kids are going to end up fine anyway. its the 2nd tier or lower kid or college program that gets hurt. ok stepping off soap box... windycityqualifier.com/ on the front page, dates for 2016, 2017 & 2018 all posted for Easter weekend of each year, so they must have McCormick booked for three years out. I'm not saying this is the norm for all qualifiers, but they often have to plan ahead
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Post by pancake83 on Apr 10, 2015 9:33:08 GMT -5
If the USAV is indeed thinking of moving the 18's it would seem obvious that they move it to the 3rd week in May to coincide with the USAV open Nationals. The US Open seems like it has been suffering from declining attendance and this would give it a shot in the arm.I don't know if it would be affected by the NCAA no contact period.Also something to consider would be to allow colleges to play at the US open as they did years ago. Imagine the ACC, PAC12 and BIG in a week long tourney in spring in stead of a scrimmage or 2 against a couple of cupcakes. Read more: volleytalk.net/thread/58478/lone-star-classic-terrible-decision?page=3#ixzz3WpR5HJONThere are some logistical issues with alcohol being allowed, but then the parents can have some fun while cheering on their daughters...YIKES. If the 18's are being held at the same time as Opens, then this should coincide with the end of the quiet period, as far as recruiting goes.
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Post by n00b on Apr 10, 2015 9:36:00 GMT -5
If the USAV is indeed thinking of moving the 18's it would seem obvious that they move it to the 3rd week in May to coincide with the USAV open Nationals. The US Open seems like it has been suffering from declining attendance and this would give it a shot in the arm.I don't know if it would be affected by the NCAA no contact period.Also something to consider would be to allow colleges to play at the US open as they did years ago. Imagine the ACC, PAC12 and BIG in a week long tourney in spring in stead of a scrimmage or 2 against a couple of cupcakes. Read more: volleytalk.net/thread/58478/lone-star-classic-terrible-decision?page=3#ixzz3WpR5HJONThere are some logistical issues with alcohol being allowed, but then the parents can have some fun while cheering on their daughters...YIKES. If the 18's are being held at the same time as Opens, then this should coincide with the end of the quiet period, as far as recruiting goes. Memorial Day weekend is when many schools have their graduations. That won't work. The idea is to be done before prom/graduation season.
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Post by pancake83 on Apr 10, 2015 9:41:32 GMT -5
There are some logistical issues with alcohol being allowed, but then the parents can have some fun while cheering on their daughters...YIKES. If the 18's are being held at the same time as Opens, then this should coincide with the end of the quiet period, as far as recruiting goes. Memorial Day weekend is when many schools have their graduations. That won't work. The idea is to be done before prom/graduation season. Exactly, either way you move this, you run into conflicts with another group. If you keep it the same as it is now, some group is upset, but that will happen no matter where you move the event...
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Post by beachfeet9 on Apr 10, 2015 19:54:12 GMT -5
It seems that the direction of the original post, has taken a new path. Since lone star is hosting 18's just at a different site, why not put some age group not recruited :10/11/12 who's is playing in dallas, in Houston? Or move the two 15's divisions playing next weekend, into the earlier weekend with the rest of them?
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Post by mizunoman on Apr 12, 2015 7:58:37 GMT -5
A few things, by shifting all of the 18's, how does this affect the recruiting landscape for the other schools outside of the DI schools? They would presumably have to have the urgency to get their recruiting done by then as well, which isn't always the case. I thought the reason for having Junior Nationals so late in the season is so that the states where schools let out later could participate in the JN, is this not a concern anymore? Additionally, a ton of 18s teams are taking "time off" already in May to give their seniors the opportunity to finish up school and meet the demands of the the last few weeks (senior events, etc.). Sticking nationals in the middle of all that would most likely cut down on participation even more. Seniors - and more importantly, senior PARENTS - wouldn't be interested; so non-senior 18s team members will most likely join up on an AAU team to finish out their season, anyway. May is also a bad idea....IMO.
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Post by owlsem on Apr 14, 2015 16:28:52 GMT -5
12 teams in open. Only one bid. Sad for what was once a premier event.
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Post by n00b on Apr 14, 2015 18:21:39 GMT -5
12 teams in open. Only one bid. Sad for what was once a premier event. 2 Bids ( link), but your point still stands.
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Post by utvbfan on Apr 14, 2015 20:06:07 GMT -5
12 teams in open. Only one bid. Sad for what was once a premier event. I believe there will be 2 bids because 3 or 4 teams pulled out recently. They go by the closing date of teams participating since they have gained payment.
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Post by elevationvb on Apr 14, 2015 22:28:16 GMT -5
12 teams in open. Only one bid. Sad for what was once a premier event. Why sad?
Have you looked at the other age groups and counted the number of teams competing in the open division compared to the national and american divisions. It's not unusual for good teams to enter the other divisions to maximize their chances to get a bid.
If I counted correctly, 86 teams are competing in the 18U non open divisions.
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