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Post by 642fiddi on Apr 21, 2015 12:42:11 GMT -5
I guess what I was interested in hearing about was less on an individual level and more on a strategic level.ie. What tournaments will the team attend. Where should those tournaments be held. Rule changes, Hotel requirements etc. The comment "Parents tend to be some of the least rational voices when it comes to tournaments. Not everybody, but the loudest voices tend to be the least rational." Could it also be said that the parent pool could also be the most intelligent and highly educated committee of all ? After all the talent pool that could be drawn from would be in the 10's of thousands. I also understand that none of this will be happening soon. The last this that USAV, and club owners would ever want is another voice at the table. Especially one with the checkbooks.
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Post by r018 on Apr 21, 2015 12:47:44 GMT -5
There are likely over a dozen convention and/or sports facilities within an hour of the Dallas Convention Center that would/do hold 10-12 courts. There is no logical reason to move it 4 hours away instead.
There were 108 SELECT teams in the Dallas Conv Center while the 97 18's teams were displaced. There were 143 SELECT teams the previous week as well, along with 75 less teams playing the previous week overall. Why not move all of the select level courts to the 1st weekend & keep all of your "recruited" teams at one venue? Just going out on a limb here, but the select teams don't all expect college coaches crowded around their courts!
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Post by newtoschool on Apr 21, 2015 12:59:01 GMT -5
It was my understanding that the move had nothing to do with the amount of courts. The Tour of Texas had their last stop in Austin instead of the usual Houston. This was done to throw Houston a bone to make up for the loss of revenue .
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Post by sevb on Apr 21, 2015 13:05:57 GMT -5
I guess what I was interested in hearing about was less on an individual level and more on a strategic level.ie. What tournaments will the team attend. Where should those tournaments be held. Rule changes, Hotel requirements etc. The comment "Parents tend to be some of the least rational voices when it comes to tournaments. Not everybody, but the loudest voices tend to be the least rational." Could it also be said that the parent pool could also be the most intelligent and highly educated committee of all ? After all the talent pool that could be drawn from would be in the 10's of thousands. I also understand that none of this will be happening soon. The last this that USAV, and club owners would ever want is another voice at the table. Especially one with the checkbooks. Parents have that VERY control when they choose a club... Dont like the club schedule (all of those things could be included) then move on to the next club. And one need only stand around and listen (actually listen) to the things that come out of these "highly intelligent and educated" mouths to know that those qualities go out the window when DD gets called out of rotation, for a lift, or the score isnt flipped within .25 seconds of the ball hitting the ground.
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Post by n00b on Apr 21, 2015 13:07:30 GMT -5
Of course the divisions increased...because of the move. Are you implying that qualifiers don't NORMALLY put any caps on divisions? Of course they do. Space dictates size of divisions. But again, the space didn't change. And I highly doubt they had SUCH a rush of teams this year (as opposed to any other) that their hand was forced. I believe that it just came down to money. The Lonestar directors make a lot of it and they wanted to make more. So they thought they could have their cake and eat it too. Move the age group, those 18s will all still show up (because it's Lonestar and EVERYONE wants to play in Lonestar), and we can boost all the other age divisions' numbers too!! Win-win right? But at the expense of what? An entire age division lost nearly all of it's recruiting standing in what's a crucial recruiting weekend for a TON of kids. Plus one of the most respected 18s qualifiers in the country became a joke. To me, that's tragic. No they don't put caps on entrants. Sometimes on the Open division (because USAV said they must), but not the club divisions. Big South and MEQ have both used alternate venues when more teams registered than court space. Several qualifiers play over two weekends. Several qualifiers (at least MEQ and NEQ) play in two different cities (and for NEQ it's two cities on the same weekend). This happens all the time, but when it's Texas it's an outrage?
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Post by BabyDuck on Apr 24, 2015 10:46:34 GMT -5
After attending the LSQ in Houston with my junior playing 18s, I can say it was a recruiting disaster. While there were over 150 college coaches registered to attend in Dallas, a mere 50 registered to attend in Houston. We counted, and only saw 8 coaches at the convention center over the course of 3 days during the morning wave (18 Open and 18 USA). Thankfully, my daughter is already committed, but even her future coach's plans to leave Dallas after day 1 and drive to Houston were cancelled at the last minute. Logistically, it was a mess for many smaller schools with smaller staff/budgets.
Some of our 18s teams have sophomores and juniors playing up. They were frustrated to not be seen at what used to be one of the top qualifiers in the country. The event felt like a sad local tournament. The convention center was cavernous with only 15 courts running. Over half of the space was just empty concrete. Runaway balls would quite literally roll to the other side of the convention center, as there was nothing to stop them with all the open space.
I get the bone they threw to Houston, but I still don't understand why it couldn't be the little girls and/or the Select divisions. USAV is heavily pushing the expansion of boys' teams, and thus they want to keep them with the girls as much as possible.
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Post by beachfeet9 on Apr 25, 2015 21:06:32 GMT -5
They didn't have enough court space in Dallas. They would've had to turn away entrants and lose even more teams if they didn't add the Houston site. They had the same number of courts they had every other year. Same space, same divisions. So in reality, they got rid of the 18's in Dallas to allow room for all of the "select" teams? What's the point of select division again? Under-competitive, and non qualifying? Wait, isn't that what AAU is all about? When did USAV start giving participation medals? Just saying...
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Post by sevb on Apr 25, 2015 22:28:06 GMT -5
When they started allowing anyone to attend GJNC... I think it's called the Patriot division
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Post by Phaedrus on Apr 26, 2015 8:07:26 GMT -5
After attending the LSQ in Houston with my junior playing 18s, I can say it was a recruiting disaster. While there were over 150 college coaches registered to attend in Dallas, a mere 50 registered to attend in Houston. We counted, and only saw 8 coaches at the convention center over the course of 3 days during the morning wave (18 Open and 18 USA). Thankfully, my daughter is already committed, but even her future coach's plans to leave Dallas after day 1 and drive to Houston were cancelled at the last minute. Logistically, it was a mess for many smaller schools with smaller staff/budgets. Some of our 18s teams have sophomores and juniors playing up. They were frustrated to not be seen at what used to be one of the top qualifiers in the country. The event felt like a sad local tournament. The convention center was cavernous with only 15 courts running. Over half of the space was just empty concrete. Runaway balls would quite literally roll to the other side of the convention center, as there was nothing to stop them with all the open space. I get the bone they threw to Houston, but I still don't understand why it couldn't be the little girls and/or the Select divisions. USAV is heavily pushing the expansion of boys' teams, and thus they want to keep them with the girls as much as possible. This is one of the myths of recruiting that comes up all too often. Coaches go to these events because 1) they get to see their signees playing and 2) they get to watch those players that they have on their list, a list that is made up kids that have contacted them about their interest in the school. Given the number of courts and players that populate these huge tournaments, it is next to impossible for these coaches to find a player just as they are having their moment. In fact, it is rare for these coaches to dawdle at any court, too many people to see. Moving the tournament to Houston, while egregious and simple minded really did nothing to impact the chances of the younger players on 18's teams to be seen by college coaches.
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Post by BabyDuck on Apr 27, 2015 7:45:40 GMT -5
Sorry if I didn't explain correctly. I know coaches don't spend much of their time watching signees, as there is simply too much else going on. However, this was just one example of a coach who had plans to visit both sites, but logistically it didn't work out. I am certain they weren't the only ones. Our one uncommitted senior on the team was upset that the 2 schools she's interested in informed her they would not be in Houston, and she really wanted them to come by to watch her play.
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Post by Not Me on Apr 27, 2015 11:22:48 GMT -5
After attending the LSQ in Houston with my junior playing 18s, I can say it was a recruiting disaster. While there were over 150 college coaches registered to attend in Dallas, a mere 50 registered to attend in Houston. We counted, and only saw 8 coaches at the convention center over the course of 3 days during the morning wave (18 Open and 18 USA). Thankfully, my daughter is already committed, but even her future coach's plans to leave Dallas after day 1 and drive to Houston were cancelled at the last minute. Logistically, it was a mess for many smaller schools with smaller staff/budgets. Some of our 18s teams have sophomores and juniors playing up. They were frustrated to not be seen at what used to be one of the top qualifiers in the country. The event felt like a sad local tournament. The convention center was cavernous with only 15 courts running. Over half of the space was just empty concrete. Runaway balls would quite literally roll to the other side of the convention center, as there was nothing to stop them with all the open space. I get the bone they threw to Houston, but I still don't understand why it couldn't be the little girls and/or the Select divisions. USAV is heavily pushing the expansion of boys' teams, and thus they want to keep them with the girls as much as possible. This is one of the myths of recruiting that comes up all too often. Coaches go to these events because 1) they get to see their signees playing and 2) they get to watch those players that they have on their list, a list that is made up kids that have contacted them about their interest in the school. Given the number of courts and players that populate these huge tournaments, it is next to impossible for these coaches to find a player just as they are having their moment. In fact, it is rare for these coaches to dawdle at any court, too many people to see. Moving the tournament to Houston, while egregious and simple minded really did nothing to impact the chances of the younger players on 18's teams to be seen by college coaches. What? You mean some coach isn't going to be walking by my daughter's court, happen to stop and watch her greatest play ever, and offer he a scholarship out of the blue? isn't that how all recruiting works?
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Post by BabyDuck on Apr 27, 2015 14:52:38 GMT -5
What? You mean some coach isn't going to be walking by my daughter's court, happen to stop and watch her greatest play ever, and offer he a scholarship out of the blue? isn't that how all recruiting works? No, the coach comes by, daughter makes a bonehead play, and coach walks off. That's how it usually happens. HA!
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Post by sevb on Apr 27, 2015 15:09:05 GMT -5
Plenty of college coaches will walk up to a court cold - having put in (for example) 2016 OHs with a minimum GPA of x, a minimum height of y, etc... when those kids on the list are in another area code... not likely they'll get seen
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