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Post by coachwpassion on Apr 8, 2015 14:26:30 GMT -5
Usav is moving some of the 18s divisions of nationals up to May. Starting next year all bids for Open, usa, and national must be given out by March 15. So any qualifier after that date won't have those divisions. Qualifiers will have to hold a separate event earlier to award those bids So it sounds like the 18's will have a completely different schedule than the other age groups. This could be hard for the smaller D1 and other NAIA, D2, D3 when it comes to recruiting budgets. Very interesting
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Post by pepperbrooks on Apr 8, 2015 15:19:57 GMT -5
Usav is moving some of the 18s divisions of nationals up to May. Starting next year all bids for Open, usa, and national must be given out by March 15. So any qualifier after that date won't have those divisions. Qualifiers will have to hold a separate event earlier to award those bids Wait, so you're saying all the qualifiers will have to take place before March 15? On what planet and extra dimensions of time and space will this be occurring?
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Post by cvbc14 on Apr 8, 2015 15:41:28 GMT -5
Looks like we'll be having qualifiers in January... so that means practice will start directly after state volleyball gets over in November.
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Post by Not Me on Apr 8, 2015 15:50:51 GMT -5
Usav is moving some of the 18s divisions of nationals up to May. Starting next year all bids for Open, usa, and national must be given out by March 15. So any qualifier after that date won't have those divisions. Qualifiers will have to hold a separate event earlier to award those bids Wait, so you're saying all the qualifiers will have to take place before March 15? On what planet and extra dimensions of time and space will this be occurring? no, just the 18's divisions. And this will include the regions.
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Post by pepperbrooks on Apr 8, 2015 15:54:01 GMT -5
Wait, so you're saying all the qualifiers will have to take place before March 15? On what planet and extra dimensions of time and space will this be occurring? no, just the 18's divisions. And this will include the regions. Oh. Ok. Don't know that that makes any more sense, but we are talking about the USAV after all. Hope AAUs are ready for the flood of new 18s.
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Post by BigFanEst2006 on Apr 8, 2015 22:52:50 GMT -5
Usav is moving some of the 18s divisions of nationals up to May. Starting next year all bids for Open, usa, and national must be given out by March 15. So any qualifier after that date won't have those divisions. Qualifiers will have to hold a separate event earlier to award those bids This has been talked about for a long time and it's time they are finally implementing this. Most players on top club teams are already committed (no matter what level, but usually committed) and when players are deciding whether to make the trip to Nationals in late June/early July vs what is becoming more and more common - getting a head start at college with a class or two, conditioning, getting to know your new "home", bond with your team mates, participate in running camps and open gym time to boot, well many kids are choosing to get the college jump start and forgo Nationals. And as someone else mentioned about USAV not wanting to give up the money, very correct also and hence, Nationals in May. The best of both worlds for players who are seniors in high school (not having to choose one OR the other) and also good players that are playing up on an 18s team so they CAN still be seen and not have to worry about if the team they are on will be one who chooses to forgo Nationals because of some reasons stated above.
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Post by pancake83 on Apr 9, 2015 10:14:08 GMT -5
Either way, a shift in the 18's division is happening whether people like it or not. I think it's going to cost the clubs running the qualifiers more money to reserve a convention center for an additional weekend to accommodate for the March 15 deadline.
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Post by owlsem on Apr 9, 2015 10:38:20 GMT -5
I agree either AAU will become a final destination or USAV will run nationals without qualifying. If I was 17 I might not play up. It changes the fabric of the 18 division too much. To compressed a schedule.
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Post by 642fiddi on Apr 9, 2015 11:02:27 GMT -5
This has been talked about for a long time and it's time they are finally implementing this. Most players on top club teams are already committed (no matter what level, but usually committed) and when players are deciding whether to make the trip to Nationals in late June/early July vs what is becoming more and more common - getting a head start at college with a class or two, conditioning, getting to know your new "home", bond with your team mates, participate in running camps and open gym time to boot, well many kids are choosing to get the college jump start and forgo Nationals. And as someone else mentioned about USAV not wanting to give up the money, very correct also and hence, Nationals in May. The best of both worlds for players who are seniors in high school (not having to choose one OR the other) and also good players that are playing up on an 18s team so they CAN still be seen and not have to worry about if the team they are on will be one who chooses to forgo Nationals because of some reasons stated above. If the USAV is indeed thinking of moving the 18's it would seem obvious that they move it to the 3rd week in May to coincide with the USAV open Nationals. The US Open seems like it has been suffering from declining attendance and this would give it a shot in the arm.I don't know if it would be affected by the NCAA no contact period.Also something to consider would be to allow colleges to play at the US open as they did years ago. Imagine the ACC, PAC12 and BIG in a week long tourney in spring in stead of a scrimmage or 2 against a couple of cupcakes.
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Post by 642fiddi on Apr 9, 2015 11:03:40 GMT -5
If the USAV is indeed thinking of moving the 18's it would seem obvious that they move it to the 3rd week in May to coincide with the USAV open Nationals. The US Open seems like it has been suffering from declining attendance and this would give it a shot in the arm.I don't know if it would be affected by the NCAA no contact period.Also something to consider would be to allow colleges to play at the US open as they did years ago. Imagine the ACC, PAC12 and BIG in a week long tourney in spring in stead of a scrimmage or 2 against a couple of cupcakes. Read more: volleytalk.proboards.com/thread/58478/lone-star-classic-terrible-decision?page=3#ixzz3WpR5HJON
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Post by sevb on Apr 9, 2015 11:07:03 GMT -5
Yeah... put the 18s with the Keg party... what could possibly go wrong
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Post by transformer on Apr 9, 2015 11:30:00 GMT -5
Yeah... put the 18s with the Keg party... what could possibly go wrong seriously this is the stupidest idea ever.
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Post by transformer on Apr 9, 2015 11:34:36 GMT -5
Either way, a shift in the 18's division is happening whether people like it or not. I think it's going to cost the clubs running the qualifiers more money to reserve a convention center for an additional weekend to accommodate for the March 15 deadline. how many qualifier convention centers are already booked 3 years ahead.. there is only like 1 or 2 that are earlier then March 15 - this is not a solution. I'm not even sure why USAV cares if seniors leave early - they still get their money and usually the team gets filled with younger kids. sure the team isn't as good as it could have been- but they paid. Im sorry - this whole thing is stupid. like the new JVA - ( which isn't so new) but hurts kids that play - coaches can only recruit so many weekends. sure top level can go everywhere and go a lot, but those kids are going to end up fine anyway. its the 2nd tier or lower kid or college program that gets hurt. ok stepping off soap box...
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Post by Phaedrus on Apr 9, 2015 11:35:15 GMT -5
A few things, by shifting all of the 18's, how does this affect the recruiting landscape for the other schools outside of the DI schools? They would presumably have to have the urgency to get their recruiting done by then as well, which isn't always the case.
I thought the reason for having Junior Nationals so late in the season is so that the states where schools let out later could participate in the JN, is this not a concern anymore?
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Post by sizzlincatfish on Apr 9, 2015 11:44:44 GMT -5
Either way, a shift in the 18's division is happening whether people like it or not. I think it's going to cost the clubs running the qualifiers more money to reserve a convention center for an additional weekend to accommodate for the March 15 deadline. how many qualifier convention centers are already booked 3 years ahead.. there is only like 1 or 2 that are earlier then March 15 - this is not a solution. I'm not even sure why USAV cares if seniors leave early - they still get their money and usually the team gets filled with younger kids. sure the team isn't as good as it could have been- but they paid. Im sorry - this whole thing is stupid. like the new JVA - ( which isn't so new) but hurts kids that play - coaches can only recruit so many weekends. sure top level can go everywhere and go a lot, but those kids are going to end up fine anyway. its the 2nd tier or lower kid or college program that gets hurt. ok stepping off soap box... I assume -- but do not know for sure -- that the USAV let qualifiers know some time ago that this was going to happen so they could try to make the necessary plans. Definitely will have juniors refusing to play 18s because they're not going to get exposed to colleges. I don't know why the USAV cares. Of all the things to take a stand on, THIS is what you do? All the other dumb things that go on?
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