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Post by wiboysvball on Nov 17, 2015 23:15:56 GMT -5
Does anyone know who won the sportsmanship award? That is the true test of a quality program Well we know who didn't win it ... lol NB for 500?
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Post by unitedwestand on Nov 18, 2015 0:12:57 GMT -5
Get off my players please...first of all the vast majority of you don't know or understand a damn thing about the things you're weighing in on. Last year I got my balls busted for going to the bathroom during the middle of the match, got ripped for going to the water jug during a timeout. This year it's about my players and I will defend my players with everything I have. I had a player drop the f-bomb and that warranted a red card which I completely understand and I dealt with that in the privacy of our huddle. The two yellow cards we received I do NOT have an issue with. My players didn't disrespect anyone, they were questioning a call and one of those players is my captain and he has every right to ask for clarity on a call. That was one of the best matches at the state tournament in recent history and it was highly emotional for everyone involved. Does everyone want to pile on KM's libero for hitting a ball clearly after the whistle? I could care less about it because it's the heat of the moment. Many of you don't know a damn thing about my players so lay off them! You ask any coach in the state if they go to the state tournament to win the sportsmanship award and you'll get a resounding "hell no", we take our teams to the state tournament for the chance to win the gold ball and any and every team will do what they can within the rules to get there. We all agree that Brian Marx has a quick whistle on double contacts and the same goes for how he calls the rest of the game, those yellow cards didn't cost us the game or the match. Bottom line is that many of you are gonna piss and moan about if a player or coach did this, it was wrong and if they didn't do this, that's wrong too. Some of you have mentioned that these are high school kids and that we should give them some slack so how about we do that? You wanna bust on someone from my team, bust on me...leave my players out of it. I personally don't give a rats ass what you say about me, I'm comfortable with the program I run and the type of players I have in my program. Other coaches in the state know the kind of coach I am, they know I'm not dirty, they know I don't encourage my players to be dirty or poor sports. Whoever won the sportsmanship award...congratulations on representing yourselves and your school in a positive manner (to me it looked like Brain and Indian Trails may have done that, very classy coach and team).
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Post by hardworkwins on Nov 18, 2015 0:28:19 GMT -5
Honestly I have no issue whatsoever with players drawing cards. I've played with Zeske before and I love the fire he brings. I think people overreact to the ref holding up a piece of paper and essentially giving a slap on the wrist. True sportsmanship has to do with respect for the game and I don't think anyone on NB has a problem there. Maybe if we had some more Matt Zeskes the game would expand more. Not saying it shouldn't be a red card but who is really getting hurt by the word F*ck? The ref is a grown adult who probably uses it everyday. Final opinion: Way to f*cking go Zeske P.S does a red card even give the opponent a point in high school?
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Post by vballman1234 on Nov 18, 2015 10:20:23 GMT -5
I'm sorry but when a team receives 3 cards in a match, it's an issue and someone must be held accountable. There are 50+ other teams that would have dreamed to be playing in that environment (final 4 at state). Just imagine if that happened in the final match broadcast all over the state on TWC. What would people think of our sport?
I've never seen that many cards given before in one match. Stay classy.
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Post by spike50 on Nov 18, 2015 10:27:27 GMT -5
I'm sorry but when a team receives 3 cards in a match, it's an issue and someone must be held accountable. There are 50+ other teams that would have dreamed to be playing in that environment (final 4 at state). Just imagine if that happened in the final match broadcast all over the state on TWC. What would people think of our sport? I've never seen that many cards given before in one match. Stay classy. So are you saying that when a team gets ripped off by a bad call, they just don't stand up for themselves at all? Mine as well just let the whole gym know your team is "soft" and that you do not care about the outcome of the game. To all players: stand up for yourselves and your team!
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Post by vballman1234 on Nov 18, 2015 10:48:12 GMT -5
Yeah, because New Berlin was the only team that had bad calls all weekend.
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Post by spike50 on Nov 18, 2015 10:59:31 GMT -5
Yeah, because New Berlin was the only team that had bad calls all weekend. Yeah because New Berlin was the only team that argued with the refs... Give me a break, we are arguing over whether high school kids are classy or not. I don't even want to know what is said behind closed doors at practice or even during the huddle after a big point. Every team got jobbed by the refs, New Berlin was just the only team that stood up for themselves and took an initiative.
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Post by volleyballguru21 on Nov 18, 2015 11:42:40 GMT -5
Just throwing this out there ... was it just me, or was New Berlin clearly the most TALENTED team our great state has to offer. Preseason #1. Meaning more of their kids would be picked in a draft then other teams. Sure, every team deals with injuries and other adversity (I'm not going to say I know anything about their program), but from an outside perspective, they had what it takes. Certainly it is big accomplishment to finish runner-up (2014) and final 4 (2015).
Having said that, couldn't they have won back-to-back state championships these last two years? I don't think it's any one person's fault. I'm not going to rip the coaches and players on their poor sportsmanship. Why? Because they have to live with the fact that they probably should have won two Gold balls. Nothing is a given, but what are the reasons they lost? It's not talent. Maybe it was how they conducted themselves. Maybe it was a slight lack of focus at times. I'm just speculating.
I'm not trying to throw their coach under the bus, instead I'm letting others know to give them a break. As a former coach, I know we are harder on ourselves than anyone else could be. Those players believed they were the best team. They just didn't end up with the Gold in the end. It's not unfair to scrutinize why that happened.
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Post by gettinpiggywithit on Nov 18, 2015 12:40:54 GMT -5
Funny how the two guys ripping on New Berlin for being disrespectful are the ones who are currently bashing HIGH SCHOOL students for playing with passion. Vballman1234 went after Zeske's older brother the other day thinking it was Matt just shows a lack of knowledge and ignorance. And I also don't recall Campbell sitting down on the court or completely stopping play because he disagreed with a call....once again lack of knowledge and ignorance. But you guys are right, going to 5 sets and creating possibly the best state match in history is definitely letting the refs affect your play...
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Post by goforitvb on Nov 18, 2015 12:51:19 GMT -5
My advice is to ignore Vballman1234. He did the same thing last year. Ripped into United. Assuming he is a player or coach who lost to United in the past and can't get over it. Go away Vballman1234 and take your hatred somewhere else.
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Post by dadovball on Nov 18, 2015 12:56:16 GMT -5
You all need to move on. Remember, this is HS boys/maybe an 18 YO man here or there, that you are criticizing like they are Tom f'ing Brady. Any one of 6 team could have won that tournament, and Kaukauna had the best weekend. First round matchups matter, and were the luck of the draw. Anyone believe that GT had no chance against Kaukauna? GT had the bad luck to get Brookfield East on fresh legs. Kaukauna was 2 good MUHS pass-set-swings away from finding themselves in an 0-2 hole. Why is no one talking about what could be the most incredible one set comeback in the history of state? To that point, are you telling me that Mr. Marx would not have called one BHE on Kaukauna in set 1 vs MUHS? Of course he would have, and if that call is a point MUHS instead of a kill for Kaukauna, the whole match changes. But he was not the ref and Kaukauna survives. I am not a coach so I will say it, of course the way a ref calls a game can determine the outcome. Now I have distracted myself. Two points
1) Get over the red / yellow card issue, many many officials would have pretended to not hear foul language (sit courtside and listen to a basketball game sometime). This one did not, once the red was out there the yellows had to follow. And, you all dwelling on it is reflecting poorly on the game.
2) Very talented bunch of HS players in WI - any one of 6 teams could have won this year, there is no team that "should have" won like the September 2014 injury free Brookfield East team of last year, or a few MUHS teams over the years. MUHS or Brook East winning this year would have been a surprise, but MUHS beat KM earlier in the year and Brook East beat Kaukauna earlier in the year.
Did I say get over it....
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Post by goforitvb on Nov 18, 2015 13:23:56 GMT -5
You all need to move on. Remember, this is HS boys/maybe an 18 YO man here or there, that you are criticizing like they are Tom f'ing Brady. Any one of 6 team could have won that tournament, and Kaukauna had the best weekend. First round matchups matter, and were the luck of the draw. Anyone believe that GT had no chance against Kaukauna? GT had the bad luck to get Brookfield East on fresh legs. Kaukauna was 2 good MUHS pass-set-swings away from finding themselves in an 0-2 hole. Why is no one talking about what could be the most incredible one set comeback in the history of state? To that point, are you telling me that Mr. Marx would not have called one BHE on Kaukauna in set 1 vs MUHS? Of course he would have, and if that call is a point MUHS instead of a kill for Kaukauna, the whole match changes. But he was not the ref and Kaukauna survives. I am not a coach so I will say it, of course the way a ref calls a game can determine the outcome. Now I have distracted myself. Two points 1) Get over the red / yellow card issue, many many officials would have pretended to not hear foul language (sit courtside and listen to a basketball game sometime). This one did not, once the red was out there the yellows had to follow. And, you all dwelling on it is reflecting poorly on the game. 2) Very talented bunch of HS players in WI - any one of 6 teams could have won this year, there is no team that "should have" won like the September 2014 injury free Brookfield East team of last year, or a few MUHS teams over the years. MUHS or Brook East winning this year would have been a surprise, but MUHS beat KM earlier in the year and Brook East beat Kaukauna earlier in the year. Did I say get over it.... Best post yet!
All very good points. It was a fun tournament to watch. And I agree, going into the tournament I thought any 1 of 6 teams could have won it. Who was going to play the best and get the mojo going their way. There were many years where it was either CMH or MUHS that was the heavy favorite. I don't think you can say there was a heavy favorite this year - which really made it a great tournament.
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Post by newberlinfather on Nov 18, 2015 13:27:00 GMT -5
Get off my players please...first of all the vast majority of you don't know or understand a damn thing about the things you're weighing in on. Last year I got my balls busted for going to the bathroom during the middle of the match, got ripped for going to the water jug during a timeout. This year it's about my players and I will defend my players with everything I have. I had a player drop the f-bomb and that warranted a red card which I completely understand and I dealt with that in the privacy of our huddle. The two yellow cards we received I do NOT have an issue with. My players didn't disrespect anyone, they were questioning a call and one of those players is my captain and he has every right to ask for clarity on a call. That was one of the best matches at the state tournament in recent history and it was highly emotional for everyone involved. Does everyone want to pile on KM's libero for hitting a ball clearly after the whistle? I could care less about it because it's the heat of the moment. Many of you don't know a damn thing about my players so lay off them! You ask any coach in the state if they go to the state tournament to win the sportsmanship award and you'll get a resounding "hell no", we take our teams to the state tournament for the chance to win the gold ball and any and every team will do what they can within the rules to get there. We all agree that Brian Marx has a quick whistle on double contacts and the same goes for how he calls the rest of the game, those yellow cards didn't cost us the game or the match. Bottom line is that many of you are gonna piss and moan about if a player or coach did this, it was wrong and if they didn't do this, that's wrong too. Some of you have mentioned that these are high school kids and that we should give them some slack so how about we do that? You wanna bust on someone from my team, bust on me...leave my players out of it. I personally don't give a rats ass what you say about me, I'm comfortable with the program I run and the type of players I have in my program. Other coaches in the state know the kind of coach I am, they know I'm not dirty, they know I don't encourage my players to be dirty or poor sports. Whoever won the sportsmanship award...congratulations on representing yourselves and your school in a positive manner (to me it looked like Brain and Indian Trails may have done that, very classy coach and team). well said jay
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Post by vball1112 on Nov 18, 2015 13:56:36 GMT -5
There's a line of playing with passion and playing with respect towards the reffs and the other team. Not saying teams this past weekend did or didn't cross it, but just saying there is a line.
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Post by goforitvb on Nov 18, 2015 14:17:34 GMT -5
Funny how the two guys ripping on New Berlin for being disrespectful are the ones who are currently bashing HIGH SCHOOL students for playing with passion. Vballman1234 went after Zeske's older brother the other day thinking it was Matt just shows a lack of knowledge and ignorance. And I also don't recall Campbell sitting down on the court or completely stopping play because he disagreed with a call....once again lack of knowledge and ignorance. But you guys are right, going to 5 sets and creating possibly the best state match in history is definitely letting the refs affect your play... Before telling me I am ignorant and lack knowledge, go back and watch the match on wiaa.tv if you can't remember these instances. 31:12 - At the end of this point Campbell turns away from the net and holds up 2 fingers to signal for a double hit against Waltz. Dallman tips over Campbell because he is not playing, resulting in a kill to win the set 1:13:15 - At the end of this point, Campbell sits down on the court, gets up, points at the ref and says something to him, resulting in a yellow card Coach White, the popcorn please. Seriously, you went back and looked at the exact time?? Wow. As you mentioned in an earlier post, there were a lot of BHE called. Players were frustrated. I saw the game and didn't see what you saw so it wasn't anything blatantly obvious. And I have no interest in spending time going back to find exact times it occurred. Just saying , it wasn't obvious to me. Shall we nit pick each gesture made by both teams. Maybe we can find some mud on everyone? I don't think so. Not sure I understand your point in making negative comments towards a player or pointing out what you believe was negative behavior. Best keep it to yourself.
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