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Post by WahineFan44 on Jul 30, 2015 20:07:45 GMT -5
I don't know why you guys are even giving SHHHHHH the time of day in this. He's obviously biased in his view of this. I mean, he keeps dodging the points, keeps justifying this mans immoral and outright disgusting actions, and just keeps saying its "two adults" and "he's done so much for volleyball". Any sane person would agree that what this man has done is out right disgusting.
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Post by Garand on Jul 31, 2015 0:03:38 GMT -5
Thank you. As mentioned, its everywhere. Butler and those that support him only send a message to potential perpetrators that you can get away with it. This is the danger, and it is real.
Excellent point, Zenyada. I'm really glad you posted it.
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Post by vbfamm on Jul 31, 2015 9:08:13 GMT -5
93% of juvenile sexual assault victims know their attacker. In many cases, it is a trusted/respected individual in the community. •34.2% of attackers were family members. •58.7% were acquaintances. •Only 7% of the perpetrators were strangers to the victim
•15% of sexual assault victims are under age 12 •29% are age12-17 •44% are under age 18 •80% are under age 30
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Post by sevb on Jul 31, 2015 9:08:17 GMT -5
In response to your question "why now"... One would wonder more if it doesn't have everything to do with the election of a new AAU president... and one of the losers slinging all the dirt that they can... this dirt just happened to stick!
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Post by bkedane on Jul 31, 2015 9:31:21 GMT -5
I gotta admit, I have not been attention to AAU (not that deep into the club scene), but I think if I had been and realized what was going on with RB and AAU, I would have been outraged, or something similar. I think the answer to your questions about "why now" regarding Butler's coaching misconduct, is due to a lack of past knowledge and media coverage. That ESPN OTL has begun to delve into the Butler/Sex with players/AAU Misconduct Policies... makes it all news again. There has been lots of coverage of the Butler misconduct. This is certainly not the first reporting of it. See the many articles linked to in this thread for just a small fraction of that coverage. Maybe all of this is new to a few people. Some of the people expressing outrage in this thread have been around junior volleyball for a long time. There is nothing new to them in the recent coverage.
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Post by zenyada on Jul 31, 2015 10:29:33 GMT -5
Perpetrators seek to exploit a soft underbelly; a window left ajar, a bike left unlocked, an improperly secured customer database; a retired widow for the ponzi pitchman...or a youth sports organization unwilling to police itself.
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Post by volleyballer4life on Jul 31, 2015 11:06:09 GMT -5
In response to your question "why now"... One would wonder more if it doesn't have everything to do with the election of a new AAU president... and one of the losers slinging all the dirt that they can... this dirt just happened to stick! If you read the article/watched the OTL interviews, the Task Force members seemed pretty agitated with the lack of ability they had to do their job. One of the things that stood out to me on this story is how people that wanted to address the RB situation were somewhat hushed by the organization, but within hours of OTL requesting an interview, he was taken off the website... Perhaps the task force members decided if they weren't going to be able to do their job, they'd reach out to OTL and make their findings public. That's my theory, although nothing more than a guess!
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jul 31, 2015 11:18:26 GMT -5
In response to your question "why now"... One would wonder more if it doesn't have everything to do with the election of a new AAU president... and one of the losers slinging all the dirt that they can... this dirt just happened to stick! If you read the article/watched the OTL interviews, the Task Force members seemed pretty agitated with the lack of ability they had to do their job. One of the things that stood out to me on this story is how people that wanted to address the RB situation were somewhat hushed by the organization, but within hours of OTL requesting an interview, he was taken off the website... Perhaps the task force members decided if they weren't going to be able to do their job, they'd reach out to OTL and make their findings public. That's my theory, although nothing more than a guess! The story is in fact the AAU at this point. The other story was played out as far is it could have been years ago.
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Post by reader on Jul 31, 2015 11:34:33 GMT -5
I think the answer to your questions about "why now" regarding Butler's coaching misconduct, is due to a lack of past knowledge and media coverage. That ESPN OTL has begun to delve into the Butler/Sex with players/AAU Misconduct Policies... makes it all news again. There has been lots of coverage of the Butler misconduct. This is certainly not the first reporting of it. See the many articles linked to in this thread for just a small fraction of that coverage. Maybe all of this is new to a few people. Some of the people expressing outrage in this thread have been around junior volleyball for a long time. There is nothing new to them in the recent coverage. A lot of time has passed between waves of reporting on this. Most girls only play top level VB for a few years, maybe a little more if they start early, so unless you have several kids you can pass entirely through 15-16-17-18 in the periods between high profile coverage. Coaches seem to stay around forever, but there are many new families each year that don't have any way to learn this stuff. VB has to either clean up the mess or suffer its rediscovery and attendant outrage every few years.
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Post by sevb on Jul 31, 2015 11:58:21 GMT -5
A lot of time? You could argue a lifetime... if he was in his early 30s then... and in his 60s now...
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Post by zenyada on Jul 31, 2015 12:01:16 GMT -5
In response to your question "why now"... One would wonder more if it doesn't have everything to do with the election of a new AAU president... and one of the losers slinging all the dirt that they can... this dirt just happened to stick! 1. Expulsion of perpetrator by USAV 2. Perpetrator starts his own organization JVA, suprisingly it grows 3. AAU old-president seeks to grow AAU in fast growing sport by aligning with JVA, both have anti USAV marketing pitch 4. Greed or empathy causes AAU old-president to rationalize partnership, observing so many parents willing to look the other way 5. For years, co-perpetrators flourish and protect each other 6. Old president is found to be sodomizing young boys--AAU is forced to enter into emergency consulting agmt for PR sake 7. Old president is replaced, but continued weak leadership and Butler threat creates fear of JVA defection and vb revenue loss, so no implementation of consultant recommendations. 8. Fearing growth of AAU, USAV responds to concerns about length of season at 18's level 9. USAV, AAU and new-President of AAU all benefit by sanitizing the past through disgracing Butler again, breaking all ties I tend to think it wasn't one of the election losers, but one of the gainers that tweaked ESPN. And the answer to "why now?"
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Post by Phaedrus on Jul 31, 2015 16:09:44 GMT -5
One thing to keep in mind is that AAU is completely in partnership with ABC/Capital City/Disney/ESPN for lots of sports, beyond just volleyball. This is pretty curious because ESPN just blew the lid on one of their own parners.
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Post by onfiya on Jul 31, 2015 16:17:21 GMT -5
Good point. Hadn't thought of that. But even Mickey and the evil empire can't stand for child predators in their midst whether it's good for business or not!
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Post by zenyada on Jul 31, 2015 17:06:21 GMT -5
One thing to keep in mind is that AAU is completely in partnership with ABC/Capital City/Disney/ESPN for lots of sports, beyond just volleyball. This is pretty curious because ESPN just blew the lid on one of their own parners. Good point, viewed in this light, maybe ESPN didn't need the prompting by one of the "gainers" to float this story again. They could be taking a familiar corporate approach, which is to protect these brands at all cost. Their partnership with AAU had become unbearably risk laden to their advertising sponorship, good will, and prestige as corporate citizens. They weren't going to allow the incompetence to continue. If they were going to maintain the partnership, no doubt they wanted a cleaning of the house, seperation from Butler, as well as have the consultants recommendations implemented, and the start of new culture at AAU.
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Post by SuperSpike on Jul 31, 2015 23:59:12 GMT -5
Good point. Hadn't thought of that. But even Mickey and the evil empire can't stand for child predators in their midst whether it's good for business or not! You're kidding yourself. Mickey and disney are all about the money. I cite the film below as my evidence.
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