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Post by trojansc on Sept 2, 2015 4:02:32 GMT -5
I am going out on a limb with my knowledge or lack of...there's an European Cup that takes two from there and doesn't Asia have a tournament that teams could still qualify for the Olympics? I don't know if Serbia could make it to the Olympics if the had to play in a European tournament. Even though they have played very good. Yes there is a European Qualification Tournament that takes 1 team to the Olympics. The Top 8 European ranked teams are sent to Ankara, Turkey in January. Let's say China and USA qualify just for arguments sake. The European tournament would look like this: 1. Turkey 2. Russia 3. Serbia 4. Italy 5. Germany 6. Netherlands 7. Poland 8. Belgium (Croatia and Bulgaria could qualify for the tournament if Russia and Serbia qualify at the World Cup or if the rankings change in their favor) The top team from the European qualifier advances to the Olympics. The 2nd and 3rd place teams get sent to the World Qualifier, which features top four Asian teams and the #2 teams from South and North America qualifier to make it an 8-team tournament. The best three ranked teams at the World Qualifier will go to the Olympics, and the best Asian team remaining outside of the top three goes to the Olympics.
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Post by Upfrontvb on Sept 2, 2015 10:37:58 GMT -5
I am going out on a limb with my knowledge or lack of...there's an European Cup that takes two from there and doesn't Asia have a tournament that teams could still qualify for the Olympics? I don't know if Serbia could make it to the Olympics if the had to play in a European tournament. Even though they have played very good. Yes there is a European Qualification Tournament that takes 1 team to the Olympics. The Top 8 European ranked teams are sent to Ankara, Turkey in January. Let's say China and USA qualify just for arguments sake. The European tournament would look like this: 1. Turkey 2. Russia 3. Serbia 4. Italy 5. Germany 6. Netherlands 7. Poland 8. Belgium (Croatia and Bulgaria could qualify for the tournament if Russia and Serbia qualify at the World Cup or if the rankings change in their favor) The top team from the European qualifier advances to the Olympics. The 2nd and 3rd place teams get sent to the World Qualifier, which features top four Asian teams and the #2 teams from South and North America qualifier to make it an 8-team tournament. The best three ranked teams at the World Qualifier will go to the Olympics, and the best Asian team remaining outside of the top three goes to the Olympics. Thanks for taking the time to explain. Boy that's a long road to get to the Olympics if you don't qualify at the first 2 tournaments. And during club season.
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Post by charlesd on Sept 2, 2015 14:02:35 GMT -5
“Long road” is an understatement.
In addition to the combined Asian Qualifier and World Qualifier, there is an Intercontinental Qualifier. The latter will have the 3rd place team in the North American Qualifier in competition with countries from Africa and South America that have not yet qualified. For any team not able to win the North American Qualifier outright, the Intercontinental tournament seems to be an easier route to the Olympics—notwithstanding that only the top team advances—than having to go through the combined World / Asian Qualifier and trying to finish among the top 3 non-Asian teams against what should be higher-ranked competition. Accordingly, at the North American Qualifier, might we see teams jockeying to finish in 3rd place rather than 2nd so they can take this route?
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 2, 2015 14:04:10 GMT -5
“Long road” is an understatement. In addition to the combined Asian Qualifier and World Qualifier, there is an Intercontinental Qualifier. The latter will have the 3rd place team in the North American Qualifier in competition with countries from Africa and South America that have not yet qualified. For any team not able to win the North American Qualifier outright, the Intercontinental tournament seems to be an easier route to the Olympics—notwithstanding that only the top team advances—than having to go through the combined World / Asian Qualifier and trying to finish among the top 3 non-Asian teams against what should be higher-ranked competition. Accordingly, at the North American Qualifier, might we see teams jockeying to finish in 3rd place rather than 2nd so they can take this route? The only bright side of USA not qualifying at the World Cup would be seeing DR and PR hilariously tanking their semi at the NORCECAs.
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Post by BeiBei on Sept 3, 2015 9:17:45 GMT -5
Does a win against Russia lock anything up? Sure if they dont stumble against Japan (think DR should be an easy win) I dont want to go back four years ago when that happened
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Post by trojansc on Sept 3, 2015 14:33:24 GMT -5
Does a win against Russia lock anything up? Sure if they dont stumble against Japan (think DR should be an easy win) I dont want to go back four years ago when that happened Japan is interesting. They went 5 with DR, but then went 5 with Serbia and Russia too. They haven't won a big match yet though, dont see it happening against USA. And btw, even a full-strength DR team would tank that last match against the USA to make sure they qualify here.
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Post by kokyu on Sept 3, 2015 15:23:03 GMT -5
Considering how undersized Japan is it's amazing they can push to 5 against the top teams.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 3, 2015 15:25:16 GMT -5
Sure if they dont stumble against Japan (think DR should be an easy win) I dont want to go back four years ago when that happened Japan is interesting. They went 5 with DR, but then went 5 with Serbia and Russia too. They haven't won a big match yet though, dont see it happening against USA. And btw, even a full-strength DR team would tank that last match against the USA to make sure they qualify here. The question is, does Japan tank its last match against China to ensure qualification for China? They play last match of last day, and it is likely China will need a win to qualify (and a win wouldn't help Japan). That could be an issue because IMO it's a winnable match for Japan (USA is not a winnable match for this DR team)
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Post by kokyu on Sept 3, 2015 16:01:27 GMT -5
Why does Japan care if China qualifies?
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 3, 2015 16:09:00 GMT -5
Because if China qualifies here, then Japan's road to the Olympics becomes much easier because of continental quotas. China's spot at Japan's next qualification tournament would be taken by a team like Kazakhstan.
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Post by trojansc on Sept 3, 2015 16:11:01 GMT -5
Why does Japan care if China qualifies? Because if China does not qualify here, they are playing with Japan in the World Qualifier. USA qualifying does nothing for Japan. Without China at the World Qualifier, it is much easier for Japan to finish top three (or at least best Asian team outside top three). It waters down the Asian competition, which is good for Japan.
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Post by bownlovingfreak on Sept 3, 2015 18:58:35 GMT -5
“Long road” is an understatement. In addition to the combined Asian Qualifier and World Qualifier, there is an Intercontinental Qualifier. The latter will have the 3rd place team in the North American Qualifier in competition with countries from Africa and South America that have not yet qualified. For any team not able to win the North American Qualifier outright, the Intercontinental tournament seems to be an easier route to the Olympics—notwithstanding that only the top team advances—than having to go through the combined World / Asian Qualifier and trying to finish among the top 3 non-Asian teams against what should be higher-ranked competition. Accordingly, at the North American Qualifier, might we see teams jockeying to finish in 3rd place rather than 2nd so they can take this route? The only bright side of USA not qualifying at the World Cup would be seeing DR and PR hilariously tanking their semi at the NORCECAs. This is maddening. This tournament is for 1 freaking spot! Couldn't they just extend teams into the other tournament (that features more legit teams?).
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Post by trojansc on Sept 3, 2015 19:10:36 GMT -5
The only bright side of USA not qualifying at the World Cup would be seeing DR and PR hilariously tanking their semi at the NORCECAs. This is maddening. This tournament is for 1 freaking spot! Couldn't they just extend teams into the other tournament (that features more legit teams?). That tournament is going to be pretty sad. The third-place South American team is really the 4th-place team since Brazil already qualified. The 3rd place North American team will likely be 4th-best (assuming US qualifies for the Olympics). Crazy. Playing against Africa's #2 and #3
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Post by bownlovingfreak on Sept 3, 2015 20:47:31 GMT -5
There is a chance that 3 South American teams qualify to the Olympics? Eek!
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Post by Reach on Sept 3, 2015 20:51:04 GMT -5
There is a chance that 3 South American teams qualify to the Olympics? Eek! So bad. FIVB is a mess. Some of the best teams don't get to go to the Olympics because we're being "fair" ... Scree that. No African team or south Anerican team deserves a bid. Seriously. Make them earn it.
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