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Post by ohi87 on Oct 3, 2015 18:29:36 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been discussed before, I searched the boards for it but nothing turned up.
Obviously I'm thinking about Hawai'i as I ask this.
They've always been in conferences with, at best, two other decent teams and it really hurts them come post-season. I'm sure they've thought of ways to get into a better conference, just curious as to why it doesn't happen.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Oct 3, 2015 18:32:53 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been discussed before, I searched the boards for it but nothing turned up. Obviously I'm thinking about Hawai'i as I ask this. They've always been in conferences with, at best, two other decent teams and it really hurts them come post-season. I'm sure they've thought of ways to get into a better conference, just curious as to why it doesn't happen. What do they bring to another conference? They arent a great athletic dept (they arent a bad one either) and adding Hawaii, adds headaches. Schedule, travel, budget........ |
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Post by ohi87 on Oct 3, 2015 18:40:49 GMT -5
Well Oregon State doesn't exactly have a great athletic department either but they get to play in the Pac-12, so I know it's not based entirely on the quality of teams they bring to the conference. I understand travel costs would get expensive but athletes would love coming to Hawai'i to play!!
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Post by dorothymantooth on Oct 3, 2015 18:51:09 GMT -5
Well Oregon State doesn't exactly have a great athletic department either but they get to play in the Pac-12, so I know it's not based entirely on the quality of teams they bring to the conference. I understand travel costs would get expensive but athletes would love coming to Hawai'i to play!! But Oregon St. isnt trying to switch conferences, they have been in the PAC forever. Secondly it isnt just about the quality of teams you bring to a conference, in fact, it is a secondary consdiration, money, tv, being #1. I'm sure athletes would like to visit Hawaii, but that isnt a consideration of chancellors. |
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Post by ohi87 on Oct 3, 2015 19:03:27 GMT -5
I only mentioned OSU because your original response was that the main reason is because Hawai'i, while not the worst, isn't the greatest athletic department. But neither is UofColorado and UofUtah and they got added to the Pac-10, now 12.
Your other point regarding the money makes more sense, but if the schools in the WAC and the Big West can afford it, I imagine those Universities in the Pac-12 with massive budgets sure can too! But ultimately it's up to the existing conference members I guess.
I just wish Hawai'i got challenged more throughout the year.
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Post by Wolfgang on Oct 3, 2015 19:32:02 GMT -5
What does Rutgers bring to the B1G? Is it more (north)east coast exposure, e.g., the New York market? Rutgers has a lousy athletic department.
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Post by HappyVolley on Oct 3, 2015 19:37:22 GMT -5
Rutgers brings an even number of schools and proximity to NYC, which doesn't really mean much, as NYC isn't exactly a hotbed of college athletics fandom.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Oct 3, 2015 20:08:28 GMT -5
What "better" conference are you talking about? The Pac? The WCC? Pretty much any other western conference would be a lateral move.
The Pac require that its members be research universities - that excludes BYU, as well as possibly Hawaii. The quality of the school matters, in other words, as much or more than attendance or ratings.
Not that adding to ratings doesn't matter - even in Seattle, I have to stay up past 10pm to catch a Wahini evening match - that's 1am on the east coast.
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Post by Garand on Oct 3, 2015 20:30:52 GMT -5
I'm guessing it originates with football and possibly basketball. I pity the foolish WVB coach who pitches the idea to their AD.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Oct 3, 2015 20:33:21 GMT -5
Well Oregon State doesn't exactly have a great athletic department either but they get to play in the Pac-12, so I know it's not based entirely on the quality of teams they bring to the conference. I understand travel costs would get expensive but athletes would love coming to Hawai'i to play!! I think the novelty of traveling to Hawaii isn't as great as you think it might be for athletes (especially after their initial visits). Sure, if every time an opposing team came to Hawaii they could have a mini vacation and enjoy Hawaii for 2 or 3 days, but I don't think that's what happens. It's stressful. It's a LONG way and they're in season and in school with lots of work to do both in the classroom and out. Not that it there isn't ANY value in the trip. Of course, they do get to enjoy the beauty of Hawaii even if for a little bit and they get to play in front of a great crowd at a great VB school. Does the PAC-12 have standards for the schools that are members? I mean in terms of size of university, amount of research dollars, etc. (I have know idea if they do) If so, does Hawaii meet those standards as a university? I know the B1G is very picky - only considering major research universities and really only wanting members of the Association of American Universities, though Nebraska for some reason lost AAU status after they joined or shortly before. |
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Post by vbcoltrane on Oct 3, 2015 20:51:48 GMT -5
What does Rutgers bring to the B1G? Is it more (north)east coast exposure, e.g., the New York market? Rutgers has a lousy athletic department. That's exactly why they were added along with MD - a B1G foothold in major media markets - DC/Baltimore for MD, NY/NJ for Rutgers. There was debate about how many eyeballs Rutgers pulls in the NY/NJ market, but still, it's a huge market. And, that market has plenty of people who root for other B1G teams. Basically, Rutgers fit the university profile that the B1G wants and were located in a good media market. Of course, the BIG probably wanted the athletic department to be better, but it didn't seem to be a deal-killer that it isn't that great. |
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Post by tclenpsu1 on Oct 3, 2015 21:04:49 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been discussed before, I searched the boards for it but nothing turned up. Obviously I'm thinking about Hawai'i as I ask this. They've always been in conferences with, at best, two other decent teams and it really hurts them come post-season. I'm sure they've thought of ways to get into a better conference, just curious as to why it doesn't happen. Send in an application and $55 fee. Let me know if you need an address. |
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Post by hammer on Oct 3, 2015 21:10:48 GMT -5
Well Oregon State doesn't exactly have a great athletic department either but they get to play in the Pac-12, so I know it's not based entirely on the quality of teams they bring to the conference. I understand travel costs would get expensive but athletes would love coming to Hawai'i to play!! I think the novelty of traveling to Hawaii isn't as great as you think it might be for athletes (especially after their initial visits). Sure, if every time an opposing team came to Hawaii they could have a mini vacation and enjoy Hawaii for 2 or 3 days, but I don't think that's what happens. It's stressful. It's a LONG way and they're in season and in school with lots of work to do both in the classroom and out. Not that it there isn't ANY value in the trip. Of course, they do get to enjoy the beauty of Hawaii even if for a little bit and they get to play in front of a great crowd at a great VB school. Does the PAC-12 have standards for the schools that are members? I mean in terms of size of university, amount of research dollars, etc. (I have know idea if they do) If so, does Hawaii meet those standards as a university? I know the B1G is very picky - only considering major research universities and really only wanting members of the Association of American Universities, though Nebraska for some reason lost AAU status after they joined or shortly before. |
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Post by vbcoltrane on Oct 3, 2015 21:12:03 GMT -5
That's exactly why they were added along with MD - a B1G foothold in major media markets - DC/Baltimore for MD, NY/NJ for Rutgers. There was debate about how many eyeballs Rutgers pulls in the NY/NJ market, but still, it's a huge market. And, that market has plenty of people who root for other B1G teams. Basically, Rutgers fit the university profile that the B1G wants and were located in a good media market. Of course, the BIG probably wanted the athletic department to be better, but it didn't seem to be a deal-killer that it isn't that great. Rutgers was very successful in football, they were 9-3 in 2012-13, 8-1 the year before. Outside of football and men's basketball, everything else is niche in college athletics. Very true. And, you're right, Rutgers had that period with Schiano (sp?) when they were really on an upswing. The B1G was probably hoping that could be sustained to some degree. |
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Post by tclenpsu1 on Oct 3, 2015 21:12:37 GMT -5
The Pac require that its members be research universities - that excludes BYU, as well as possibly Hawaii. The quality of the school matters, in other words, as much or more than attendance or ratings. Where did you get that from? Texas almost joined Pac-10/12, along with Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Colorado, Texas Tech, and Texas A&M. Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M are members of AAU. By the way, Bakersfield is affiliate member of Pac-12 and certainly not AAU member. Also, if a non-research school wanted to join the Pac-12, it would happen if it added value to the TV deal Not all PAC 12 schools are in the AAU. In the BIG 10, all schools except Nebraska are in the AAU |
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