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Post by kahusancali on Oct 6, 2015 20:03:51 GMT -5
Would it help their RPI if they used a neutral site somewhere on the islands? Does such a site exist? USS Abraham Lincoln, halfway between SF & Hawaii. Plenty of room for a volleyball court on the flight deck. hehehe. I think the Lincoln is in Virginia right now from some long haul dry dock.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 20:21:03 GMT -5
Let's not forget that @$$%*!* matters too. But having said that, let me take this time to send an apology to bofa for referring to he (and others) as RPI apologists. I told him I wasn't going to apologize but I'll just suck it up and say I'm sorry. For those unaware, bofa has done a great deal of work advocating for a better tournament selection process so it was a mistake to label him as an RPI apologist because he isn't. He just understands the system better than most. Please note that my apology is only for bofa, and not for the other dumbasses who gave their 2 cents on the matter. And me. You're forgiven, by the way. By me.
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Post by Boof1224 on Oct 6, 2015 20:22:58 GMT -5
I think when you compare PSU to Texas (who has also lost, at home) or perhaps even ASU, the argument becomes murkier, but against USC, I see ZERO justification other than "fluke loss", which is patently unfair and could be applied to the Stanford vote. True. Honestly though, had there not be such a commotion, I probably wouldn't even care. I would scratch my head, like I did the stratford vote, but wouldn't think too much about it, but certain PSU fans threw such a hissy. Yet you see 0 USC fans getting mad. Usc didn't just sweep the team getting the first place votes
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Post by scottysocc on Oct 6, 2015 20:43:37 GMT -5
Arizona St. should be top 3, Texas shouldn't be top 2
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Post by bigfanofbigfan on Oct 7, 2015 12:31:27 GMT -5
Arizona St. should be top 3, Texas shouldn't be top 2 From watching both ASU vs Arizona and Arizona vs Texas matches, my opinion is Texas and ASU should both be in the top 3, with no clear edge over each other. We will know more about ASU as they will be playing the Washington schools this week..
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Post by sunsuphornsup on Oct 7, 2015 14:00:21 GMT -5
Arizona St. should be top 3, Texas shouldn't be top 2 Arizona State is overrated with a win against an underperforming Stanford team.
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 7, 2015 14:10:56 GMT -5
Arizona St. should be top 3, Texas shouldn't be top 2 Arizona State is overrated with a win against an underperforming Stanford team. Well they have a common ranked opponent, Texas needed 5 to take them out, ASU did it in 4. I'm not sure why an "overrated" stanford, factors in here. Didn't Texas lose at home to a Florida team who have since lost 4 matches? Pablo has ASU #3 and Texas #4. Other than your opinion, there is little to suggest that ASU is "overrated". They have wins against illinois, Stanford, Arizona, and Colorado state, which is more ranked wins than Texas, just sayin.
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Post by sunsuphornsup on Oct 7, 2015 14:20:42 GMT -5
Arizona State is overrated with a win against an underperforming Stanford team. Well they have a common ranked opponent, Texas needed 5 to take them out, ASU did it in 4. I'm not sure why an "overrated" stanford, factors in here. Didn't Texas lost at home to a Florida team who have since lost 4 matches? Pablo has ASU #3 and Texas #4. Other than your opinion, there is little to suggest that ASU is "overrated". Nope just an opinion, like the ones that the poll is composed of and the original comment I quoted. In my opinion, ASU's schedule up to this point is relatively weak (with the only notable win against Illinois in five sets, because Stanford is a shell of the team they were last year) and the Pac-12 is in a down year. For what it is worth, based on RPI, Texas is #2 and ASU is #13. That's a fact and not an opinion.
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 7, 2015 14:32:32 GMT -5
Well they have a common ranked opponent, Texas needed 5 to take them out, ASU did it in 4. I'm not sure why an "overrated" stanford, factors in here. Didn't Texas lost at home to a Florida team who have since lost 4 matches? Pablo has ASU #3 and Texas #4. Other than your opinion, there is little to suggest that ASU is "overrated". Nope just an opinion, like the ones that the poll is composed of and the original comment I quoted. In my opinion, ASU's schedule up to this point is relatively weak (with the only notable win against Illinois in five sets, because Stanford is a shell of the team they were last year) and the Pac-12 is in a down year. For what it is worth, based on RPI, Texas is #2 and ASU is #13. That's a fact and not an opinion. It's also a FACT that RPI doesn't purport to show quality of a team relative to others it shows SOS relative to others. It's been PROVEN that I can be manipulated. Using RPI to determine whether someone is overrated is, to put it mildly, stupid. Florida is RPI #5 but just lost 3 straight to Kentucky, Missouri, and Arkansas, soooo...yeah
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 7, 2015 14:44:25 GMT -5
Well they have a common ranked opponent, Texas needed 5 to take them out, ASU did it in 4. I'm not sure why an "overrated" stanford, factors in here. Didn't Texas lost at home to a Florida team who have since lost 4 matches? Pablo has ASU #3 and Texas #4. Other than your opinion, there is little to suggest that ASU is "overrated". Nope just an opinion, like the ones that the poll is composed of and the original comment I quoted. In my opinion, ASU's schedule up to this point is relatively weak (with the only notable win against Illinois in five sets, because Stanford is a shell of the team they were last year) and the Pac-12 is in a down year. For what it is worth, based on RPI, Texas is #2 and ASU is #13. That's a fact and not an opinion. Comparing schedules, according to RPI: Texas Wins over: 4, 24, 43, 44, 47, 52, 63, 80, 98 Lost to #5 ASU Wins over: 7, 21, 47, 52, 54, 56, 80 I don't see a major difference in quality of schedule there. Yes, Texas has an additional match against a top 5 team, but then again, they lost that match so it's hard to see how it is a point in their favor. And why do you dismiss Stanford as a win? By YOUR measure of RPI they are top 10. Are you suggesting that RPI is not right? And if you are, why are you using it? You can't have it both ways. If you want to point to RPI, you can't dismiss the Stanford win. If you ignore RPI for Stanford, you can ignore it for everyone else.
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 7, 2015 14:45:54 GMT -5
Nope just an opinion, like the ones that the poll is composed of and the original comment I quoted. In my opinion, ASU's schedule up to this point is relatively weak (with the only notable win against Illinois in five sets, because Stanford is a shell of the team they were last year) and the Pac-12 is in a down year. For what it is worth, based on RPI, Texas is #2 and ASU is #13. That's a fact and not an opinion. Comparing schedules, according to RPI: Texas Wins over: 4, 24, 43, 44, 47, 52, 63, 80, 98 Lost to #5 ASU Wins over: 7, 21, 47, 52, 54, 56, 80 I don't see a major difference in quality of schedule there. Yes, Texas has an additional match against a top 5 team, but then again, they lost that match so it's hard to see how it is a point in their favor. And why do you dismiss Stanford as a win? By YOUR measure of RPI they are top 10. Are you suggesting that RPI is not right? And if you are, why are you using it? You can't have it both ways. If you want to point to RPI, you can't dismiss the Stanford win. If you ignore RPI for Stanford, you can ignore it for everyone else. Exactly
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Post by sunsuphornsup on Oct 7, 2015 14:49:41 GMT -5
Nope just an opinion, like the ones that the poll is composed of and the original comment I quoted. In my opinion, ASU's schedule up to this point is relatively weak (with the only notable win against Illinois in five sets, because Stanford is a shell of the team they were last year) and the Pac-12 is in a down year. For what it is worth, based on RPI, Texas is #2 and ASU is #13. That's a fact and not an opinion. It's also a FACT that RPI doesn't purport to show quality of a team relative to others it shows SOS relative to others. It's been PROVEN that I can be manipulated. Using RPI to determine whether someone is overrated is, to put it mildly, stupid. Florida is RPI #5 but just lost 3 straight to Kentucky, Missouri, and Arkansas, soooo...yeah Yes, the point is everyone has an opinion, doesn't make it any more true than the other. And anyone can use Pablo or RPI, one is not better than the other.
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Post by Cruz'n on Oct 7, 2015 14:52:09 GMT -5
Well they have a common ranked opponent, Texas needed 5 to take them out, ASU did it in 4. I'm not sure why an "overrated" stanford, factors in here. Didn't Texas lost at home to a Florida team who have since lost 4 matches? Pablo has ASU #3 and Texas #4. Other than your opinion, there is little to suggest that ASU is "overrated". Nope just an opinion, like the ones that the poll is composed of and the original comment I quoted. In my opinion, ASU's schedule up to this point is relatively weak (with the only notable win against Illinois in five sets, because Stanford is a shell of the team they were last year) and the Pac-12 is in a down year. For what it is worth, based on RPI, Texas is #2 and ASU is #13. That's a fact and not an opinion. Using RPI as an argument to say how good a team is, is ridiculous.
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Post by sunsuphornsup on Oct 7, 2015 14:52:55 GMT -5
Nope just an opinion, like the ones that the poll is composed of and the original comment I quoted. In my opinion, ASU's schedule up to this point is relatively weak (with the only notable win against Illinois in five sets, because Stanford is a shell of the team they were last year) and the Pac-12 is in a down year. For what it is worth, based on RPI, Texas is #2 and ASU is #13. That's a fact and not an opinion. Comparing schedules, according to RPI: Texas Wins over: 4, 24, 43, 44, 47, 52, 63, 80, 98 Lost to #5 ASU Wins over: 7, 21, 47, 52, 54, 56, 80 I don't see a major difference in quality of schedule there. Yes, Texas has an additional match against a top 5 team, but then again, they lost that match so it's hard to see how it is a point in their favor. And why do you dismiss Stanford as a win? By YOUR measure of RPI they are top 10. Are you suggesting that RPI is not right? And if you are, why are you using it? You can't have it both ways. If you want to point to RPI, you can't dismiss the Stanford win. If you ignore RPI for Stanford, you can ignore it for everyone else. I think with a healthy Stanford, they would have beaten ASU easily. My purpose for originally responding to the OP was to point out that their opinion that ASU should be over Texas is just that an opinion based on references to other opinions. But I still stand with my opinion that Pac-12 is having a down year.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 7, 2015 14:58:11 GMT -5
And anyone can use Pablo or RPI, one is not better than the other. Um, under any rational definition of "better", yes, one is. And no offense or anything, while it is true that "anyone can have an opinion," no one cares about it unless you can justify it. Your favorite color is also an opinion, and it is about as interesting.
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